Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 134

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I understand from those who know about such things that bioweapon programs work on both the 'weapon' and its 'antidote' at the same time. To my mind the question is whether the fox was even intended to be an antidote; these days it looks like the Cooties was simply the mildly poisonous entree that preceded the more lethal main course...

Ron M

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[tunesmyth]

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Defecting Nonconformists

[(Anonymous)]

I've been thinking about one of the curious phenomena seen during the Covid craze. Disease scares have always inflamed germophobes and hypochondriacs, but this public frenzy had a unique potential to turn people 180 degrees from their professed worldviews. Many people who could be identified as hippie alternative health enthusiasts became devotees of Big Pharma. People who had spent their lives espousing individualist and even anarchist worldviews started snitching on their neighbors for hosting backyard parties. There were also some cases of people moving in the opposite direction: living their lives entirely within the boundaries of the "normal" until the pandemic drove them to completely drop out of mainstream thinking, never to get a shot or send their children to public school again.

What caused this? An idea I've been toying with is that many of the nonconformists enjoyed thumbing their noses at power but they never had it in them to truly question the integrity of the people running the show. Authority figures could be short-sighted and foolish and there were some genuinely bad apples among them but it couldn't be that the entire system was hostile to its subjects. To take an anti-authoritarian stance during Covid meant facing up to the idea that the leaders of many countries didn't desire only obedience, but suffering and even the deaths of their people. Like Cypher in The Matrix they began to realize the true nature of their world and decided "ignorance is bliss."

One thing I noticed was that some of the lowest levels of "defection" occurred among people who already believed in a fundamentally corrupt and hostile power structure. Not merely a health food hippie or Bernie Sanders voter, but someone like a survivalist in a cabin believing the United States ceased to be independent with the formation of the Federal Reserve. I can't think of anyone I know of in these ideological categories who crossed over to become a system supporter. The pandemic reassured them that every detail of their worldviews was true.

As for the "normies" who went the other way, I get the sense that many of them had gone through their lives with perspectives that they never bothered to examine in detail. When you just coast and think what the TV tells you to think you don't have to put much work into it. Then the madness of the lockdowns and vaccines tore at the edges of their reality, they pulled the loose threads and the whole thing came unraveled in a heap. There's nothing like a fox injury to erode your faith in the government.

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

1) Honestly, yes. I think we are fast approaching the point where we would all be better off without those. The further step of allowing people to heal and be healed in any way they want without government restrictions would probably be a step up at this point.

2) For me, no. The habit of banning things inevitably casts too wide a net.

Re: When would you comply?

[weilong]

At this point, I am convinced that mass quarantines are always a bad idea because they are not effective, and therefore there is never a benefit to outweigh the costs. Similarly with vaccines - the balance of evidence is that vaccines generally have little to no efficacy, and therefore are very difficult to justify.

The issue of complying with government emergency measures, as many others have said in this thread, involves trust. If I trusted that the authorities were in possession of good information that is not available to me, understood it in some way that is beyond my comprehension, and were acting in good faith, then yes, I suppose I might go along with it.

However, the world we live in today is one in which the authorities have been shown to be unrepentant liars acting in bad faith. I don't trust anything they say unless I can independently verify it, and even then I still harbor doubts.

[(Anonymous)]

Medicines regulator failed to flag Covid vaccine side effects and must be investigated, say MPs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/27/mhra-covid-vaccine-side-effects-mps-all-party-parliamentary/

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if this particular event is a new revelation, but the theme here is old news.
The first tests of their new "vaccine" started the same week the first covid case in the US was announced.

We are apparently expected to believe that the Moderna folks slapped it together over the weekend. It seems reasonable to assume, though, that they had in fact been working on it for months, if not years, before any of us ever heard of "covid." This much was obvious back in 2020.

Shedding/vision

[(Anonymous)]

After almost 2 years of strange symptoms and no clear reason for them, I started reading about shedding. I didn’t think of it before mostly because the mechanism didn’t seem clear to me. But now that I read what Kory and amidwestern doctor has written it sounds like that may explain what I’m experiencing.

It started 2 years ago with a chronic headache that was odd but I ignored it. Months later I lost my peripheral vision. I couldn’t see anything except what I was looking at. But I felt worst in busy places, mostly grocery stores. Because then I also felt dizzy and a strange dissociated feeling that made me feel like I wasn’t there. I also had a lump/ache in my throat and random unexplained bruising that looked severe, like I had a major accident.

Upon work up for my vision they found thryroid antibodies and reactivated Epstein Barr but no cause for the vision problems.

So without an explanation I focused on improving diet, adding vitamins and spike detox supplements, daily forest walks and thr healing meditation from the Modern order of Essenes. And very slowly I noticed improvement.

I am a sensitive person and I am now wondering if our immune systems pick up information about our community around us and sense when our communal immune systems are under threat, like a sensitive radar for when there is a significant danger to our bodies and some people are more affected by it more than others.

It was perhaps not that there was something wrong with my eyesight, but something right with it. It was my intuition telling me not to go in the busy spaces.

Now I’m generally better. But I will feel a slight headache or other symptom somewhere and remove myself and it resolves fairly quickly. Maybe either our immune systems in general are doing better or something I’m doing is helping me. I can imagine that the meditation with the sphere of protection component is helpful.

Tamar

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

1) Well, most societies never had any of them, and got by just fine...

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

Well Dylan, when I read your question to the commentariat, a warning light went off in my head, as I wondered “why on earth would anyone ask such a question given the time and context? After all, it’s not as if some deadly contagious disease were running amok, and people were refusing effective prevention…”, and I became suspicious that you were fishing for evidence that people who had been opposed to the C19 vex mandates were basically prejudiced and unreasonable; I have a hard time understanding your “dualistic rut”.

Having said that, I’ll bite. My answer would be “yes” under the following conditions:

As regards the disease it must
1) have a high case fatality rate at least several orders of magnitude worse than the flu among those who are healthy, non-immune-compromised across all age groups (probably at least 1-5%).
2) be highly transmissible via breathing or casual contact (R0 at least 2.0).
3) have a long incubation time, AND an infected person typically be asymptomatic for at least a few days before symptom onset (so we don’t have asymptomatic infected people spreading a deadly virus)
4) have no animal reservoirs (in which case the virus can never be eradicated)

As regards the vaccine it must
1) be sterilizing (i.e. prevents infection/transmission with a likelihood at least 99%)
2) not incorporate experimental technologies (e.g. no mRNA shots or adenovirus carriers).
3) it must have safety data acquired first with animals for at least 3 months, followed by at least one year of human safety AND efficacy data involving at least 10,000 subjects and 10,000 controls, which show that having received the vaccine is at least an order of magnitude safer than not having it. (This was not done with the C19 shots).
4) The experimental protocol must NOT be performed by a party with a financial interest in vaccine approval. All experimental data from ALL experiments be made public and factored into the approval/authorization process.

As regards vaccine policy
1) The vaccine must NOT be required for those who have recovered from the disease (which may be proven via antibody tests).
2) The national regulatory apparatus must NOT be funded by interests that stand to benefit from prospective vaccine policies.
3) Said regulatory apparatus must be accountable to the public for any policies which affect the public. Regulators must be prohibited from rotating into employment with the industries that they regulated for a least 7 years after leaving public service, and even then forfeit their pensions earned from their regulatory employment (including retro-actively).
4) The vaccine must not be administered during an epidemic/pandemic, as this has been understood for decades as having the potential to drive viral evolution to evade the vaccine.
5) Pregnant or nursing women and nursing infants must be excluded from any mandates.
6) Medical exemptions for medically specified issues must genuinely be permitted.

Anyway, this is my off-the-cuff response to your question. It wouldn’t take much to persuade me that my criteria are overly lax. We “anti-vaxxers” are not all that unreasonable.

—Lunar Apprentice

Re: Defecting Nonconformists

[(Anonymous)]

Everybody's great at flying until the autopilot gets disconnected.

[(Anonymous)]

One small question. How can she drink that tea with that mask on? Asking for a friend.

Re: Shedding/vision

[(Anonymous)]

You've lost your peripheral vision? That can reflect a disorder affecting the optic chiasm (many diseases can affect this). Has your primary doc been informed? Has your peripheral vision been measured? If you were my patient and I found evidence of peripheral vision loss, I'd refer you to a neurologist.

--Lunar Apprentice

Re: Defecting Nonconformists

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure how this fits in, but I think there is also a category of people who were somewhere in the middle, in the sense that they thought things were bad, but didn't realize just HOW bad. (And yes, I put myself in this category.)

We knew that the medical industry was corrupted by money, but still thought there were enough checks and balances and market corrections and basic venal need to not to destroy their own customer base to keep the worst insanity in check - until Cootie Mania showed us just how rotten and zombie-like and even ultimately self-defeating the whole thing was. We didn't trust our politicians, but thought that their need to get re-elected placed at least some restraint on just how crazy they could behave - right up until they (almost) all went cootie-bonkers. I admit I also thought the business community was stronger than it was, and that various industry coalitions - especially but not exclusively the various retail shopping, hotel, travel, and restaurant industry associations - would surely push back on restrictions more than they did, but they appeared to be awol. Ditto the labor unions; I knew the leadership was corrupt, but thought that the rank and file of at least some of the unions would get restless about the loss of their livelihoods - but if they did, I didn't hear about it (or maybe they were bought off by government payments to stay home?). I knew academia was corrupt, but thought there would still be SOME experts willing to questions authority (there were a minuscule number, but seems like they pretty much all got fired). I knew mainstream journalism was bought-and-paid for, but thought SOME of the "alternative" outfits would decide to make a name for themselves by questioning the narrative for clicks and profit, but no, they went whole-hog for the narrative. Etc.

Maybe I'm not explaining this well, but I think there is a category of "I knew it was corrupt but had not idea just how bad it had gotten until Cooties-19 happened". I didn't expect heroes, but thought that there was a good deal more common-sense market-driven self-interest than there was, if that makes sense?

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

I would comly with a quarintine. That is not what they did with COVID. Mass lockdowns are not quarantines. Keep healthy people at home is not a quarantine.

Quarantines used to be common, a person has a relay bad illness that we cant treat this has not been common with our current health model of taking them into hospital and having medicines that woek for the illnesses. BUt, yes, quarantines do make alot of sense. The old 1940s and 1950s home nursing books spend alot of time explaining how to keep a person confined to a sick room under quarantine.

Mass lock downs of entire apartment blocks or healthy people or entire towns -- makes no sense. BUt, there COULD concebably have such a horrid disease, so deadly, that such a mesure would need to be taken I think it is beyond unlikely, but people would realy be droppind dead like flies, which they lied about last time. SO, yeah, I bet we would not believe them ! It would take an awful lot to do so

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

I forgot to reply about vaccines.

Taking a shot is a medical decision that should never ever , ever be mandated. Treating vaccinated people differently than unvaccinated people is wroong. "quarrantining" unvaccinated people is a missuse of the word. YOu can or should only quarrantine sick people until they are over it.

BUt, again, they lied to use about the extreme quarantine measure this last time. ANd the PCR test is not a test for having an illness, so to quaratine based on a PCR test is non-sensical.

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

No and No.

With lockdowns and vaccine mandates, what you have is a very small group of people deciding what is best for the whole of society. It is not possible for such a small number of politicians, bureaucrats, and academics to know everything they would need to know to successfully implement such policies.

With covid, most of these people had zero qualifications and zero knowledge to be making the decisions that they were making. The politicians were all completely scientifically illiterate. Ditto for most of the health and medical bureaucrats. Many of the lockdown plans and measures were the products of bureaucrats who didn't really have a clue about any of the science. They were about as realistic as a five year plan.

Even the scientists that the governments were getting their advice from weren't necessarily fully informed in all of the relevant fields.

Here in Australia, none of the scientists advising the government or being quoted by the media seemed to be experts in corona-viruses. And there were various experts who were often in the media pushing the vaccine mandates, but if you looked into their backgrounds they turned out to be social scientists rather than immunologists (Katie Atwell, Deborah Lupton, Julie Leask). And if you looked at the social media of the small number of academics who were frequently quoted in the media, they usually turned out to be covid-zealots and left-wing activists.

Right from the start of covid, I also got the strong impression that there were some serious gaps in our knowledge of respiratory viruses. For example, there was the confusion in the first half of 2020 about whether covid was transmitted via surfaces or via aerosols. I mean, they've only been studying corona-viruses for the past 50 years. Surely the transmission mechanism should be well understood by now.

Given all the above, how can the government claim that they know what's best for the whole of society?

Re: Shedding/vision

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for your feedback! Yes that was my concern too. So after a lo mg wait I finally got in to see the neuroopthalmologist up here. He’s great, but he couldn't see anything on my field testing or imaging. To his credit he was never dismissive, but he had no idea what was going on. As it improves I’m more convinced it’s a processing issue of some kind in my brain, (something that doesn’t show up in MRI). Now the areas of my visual field where I couldn’t see are much much smaller. And now I only notice an issue in busy places, and even that is better. t

Stronger than Death

[(Anonymous)]

134 weeks and running…

Seems crazy, it’s gone on this long with no end in sight. It’s off normie radar but I feel its pulse, like a giant serpent moving underground. Madness all around but it’s love and what it really means that keeps me going.

What does it really mean?

My brother died at 55, a year and a half ago. His final words were about how much he loved his family, an adopted family from his second marriage. It drove my mother nuts and in many ways she blamed this second marriage for his early demise. I wouldn’t judge. All I could do was deal with the shock. When they came to me, I really looked at those last photos of him and I saw it. He was happy, he was in love.

I was thinking about all this while listening to a beloved song, a song that I listened to a thousand times when I was young, long before I knew much about love. There’s a phrase at the song’s end that I only picked up on in recent years; Stronger than Death. It’s the kind of thing only a 52 year old man can pick up on, I suppose.

Those years made me want to comment on Stop the world! I want to get off but I never got around to it. What could I say, random thoughts about the 1978 Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie and the very disturbing ending came to mind. Yeah, we’re living it… but like many of the good comments on that thread, my conclusion is that it’s only love and what it really means to you that will get you through but it’s not easy… Lord knows I’m struggling. Just because I know doesn’t mean I do.

I kept this handy during the time shortly after my brother’s death. I can’t remember if I came across it here or on the other blog but either way, it makes good sense. It gets me through the days.

What, then, is your own? Only your reaction to the appearances of things.

Don't demand that things happen as you wish, but wish that they happen as they do happen, and you will go on well.

Never say of anything, "I have lost it"; but, "I have returned it." Is your child dead? It is returned. Is your wife dead? She is returned. Is your estate taken away? Well, and is not that likewise returned? "But he who took it away is a bad man." What difference is it to you who the giver assigns to take it back? While he gives it to you to possess, take care of it; but don't view it as your own, just as travelers view a hotel.

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

Adding to the comment I just posted a few minutes ago.

Despite all the scientific advice the government here in Australia were getting, they missed the fact that vaccines against respiratory viruses don't work.

There has never been a successful vaccine against any corona-virus or any other kind of common cold virus. This is because a common cold infection itself does not give sterilising immunity, meaning that a vaccine won't either. Then there is the fact that an injection is useless when it comes to eliciting mucosal immunity, which is what you really need to fight a common cold virus.

Just a really astounding failure of understanding by the government of what is basically high school level science.

Covid Erotica

[frittermywig]

Am I the last to know about Covid erotica?


"In a world where Coronavirus and Monkeypox risk combining into a super-virus, Dr Jasmine Minjaz has to put her sex life on hold to prevent a global catastrophe..."
Edwards' book series, 'Kissing the Coronavirus,' seems to be available only on Amazon.

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of V-fox19 bad news hitting the air waves. Gonna be hard for normies to pretend. My family deserves Academy Awards.

Pretty strange week. Old Rothschild slithers off into the next world. U.S. Airman sets himself on fire over Gaza. Trudeau seems to believe he will control the internet 'truths.' Annnndddddd....it's Tuesday.

Re: When would you comply?

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, Lunar:

If the conditions you cite above were true, the government would not need to mandate anything-- everyone would jump to take the necessary countermeasures.

This "incident" (global train wreck) has just confirmed my view that anything someone else tries to force you into doing, is 99% probably bad for you.

So, no, I would not cooperate with any government-enforced mass anything.

- Cicada Grove

[(Anonymous)]

Agree.
Cooties was the flapping blanket; the injection was the cliff.
Welcome to the buffalo jump.

Re: Defecting Nonconformists

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in the same boat.

I had been rendered skeptical of government, mass media, and big corporations by the financial crash of 2008, and (thank you Almighty /|\) was getting my news from alternative sources by 2020, but I was still gobsmacked by which people, and the sheer number of people, who went full metal lemming.

My friend up in the PNW, who had always seemed skeptical of any establishment power centers, told me the phrase "big pharma" in an argument meant the argument was "batshit". All the "nicest countries"-- Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, on and on and on-- went totally totalitarian.

All I can think of was that some malign magic was propagated through the mass media, and since I don't watch TV, don't do Faceplant, and am not a Twit, I avoided most of that barrage. But it really does seem like Someone was watching out for me too.

Now I'm really not sure who I'll ever be able to trust again. (Sigh)

- Cicada Grove