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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-10-15 10:59 pm

Magic Monday

altarIt's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ hereAlso: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. 

The picture? A magical altar. In the traditions of the Fellowship of the Hermetic Rose, this can be any flat surface large enough to hold the four working tools of the elements, the four elemental candles, and the two pillars. In ritual, it represents the world -- meaning here both the microcosm of yourself and the macrocosm of the universe. A ritual itself forms a mesocosm that mediates between those two extremes and is capable, within the limits of magic, of making changes in either or both.

GD altarAs the image above suggests, an altar can be very, very simple.  A lot of mages I know, in and out of the traditions John Gilbert taught, have used the kind of little folding table I grew up calling "TV trays" as altars -- they're convenient to put up and take down, and can be stored folded up for the many times when you're not doing ritual. Throw a colored cloth over it and you're good to go. Black is standard in most Golden Dawn-derived traditions, representing the opaque world of matter, but you can use other colors for specific symbolic purposes.

Of course you can get much fancier than the simple FHR approach; the image on the right shows a Golden Dawn altar
kitted up for a ritual, and the one below shows a Martinist altar similarly bedecked. In magic, as in most things in life, you can get as simple or as fancy as your heart desires.

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(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Ill figure out these profiles someday.

Re: etheric connections

Actually the tabletop rpgs of the 80s have some writing frameworks (theyre essentially designed as writing aides). Shadowrun posits a turning of the age with a return of magic on the Mayan calendar. They speculate that the astral plane is based in the field of life. It has interesting effects, like the earths energy itself providing a floor, so that flying astral bodies cant easily travel through the earth itself.

Mage, the 80s version, speculates that each planet has its own distinct astral sphere. It reminds me of a ray bradbury story about how different senses for martians require different spiritual practice to maintain balance (I believe the missionaries were christian in thevstory)

Perhaps the difference isnt strictly "worse". Not just because it makes for a good twist or redemption arc. Maybe instead of just being far from home they are also finding something else across the gulf.

In reality, solar forces keep us here, as has been referenced here. But in the 70s star trek even (the next gen episodes about two planets with drug addiction) it was seen as redemptive too.

For more lore grounding, I forget the guys name but the "father of soviet space medicine" who ran the laika experiments has great wuotes on the fear of the void.

And he insisted cosmonauts brought booze to space. Iirc theres pics of marijuana on the iss. Jungian stuff.

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
John--

I have a deeply-rooted habit of measurement. Pertinent to my question here, this mental framework is constantly assessing my life as-it-is against the metric of my life as-it-could/should/might-be. This impacts my experience of life significantly, as you might imagine, and generally not for the better, as reality nearly always comes up short of the ideal. Some of these are/were excessive metrics (e.g. getting my PhD at the age of 21 versus the more typical age of 27 as I did) and some are more "normal" (e.g. not advancing as quickly at work as I'd like, or in the manner/form that I'd envisioned). One of the more relevant issues is the ideal I've long held in my mind re marriage: the vision of the passionate, fiery union of souls twining upwards to touch the Divine. My marriage is far more mundane and my wife often feels that I see it as "less than" -- something I am careful about voicing for obvious reasons. I understand that this ideal is not going to be met--just like I will never have been a seventeen year-old graduate student--but I've held these images for so long, they feel like permanent part of me and relinquishing them feels like settling. How can I most effectively go about ridding myself of these ideal visions so that I can better appreciate my life and wife?

Re: Mormon Kabbalah / Working with a Goddess

[personal profile] brenainn 2023-10-16 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for mentioning this esoteric Mormon church. I didn't ask the anonymous comment last MM, but your post here seems to be a synchronicity for me. I'll leave it at that, and just say "thank you" one more time.

Re: Land acknowledgements

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
There's something very, very weird about it. I live in Canada, where it has caught on in a very real way, and the people doing it genuinely seem to think it does something. I grew up in a managerial class, and so I've picked up on the art of recognizing when there's some ulterior motive; and here, I haven't picked up the faintest whiff of it.

I haven't been able to make any sense of it, but I'm confident that whatever it is is weirder than it seems to be; and it already seems pretty weird...
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Text Book for Order of Monk/Nun

[personal profile] iprescott 2023-10-16 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi JMG,

I saw in a paper that you posted about the Order of the Monk/Nun that the textbook would be a book titled "The Sanctified Life". The only book I could find of that title was on Written by Ellen G. White, whose teachings the Seventh Day Adventist church built themselves upon. Is that the correct book, or is there another?

Best Regards,

Ian Prescott

Re: Holy Water/Oil (Gnostic Lessons)

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks a lot. I felt like I was missing something, but sometimes it really is that simple... ;-) (glad I'm not told to meditate on this one as well, tbh, as my meditation schedule has been getting quite crowded :D )

Actually, about the staining: Is it ok to wipe off most of the oil even before a ritual is fully finished? E.g. one of the commitment ceremonies required oil on the eyelids, and getting oil into the eyes isn't much fun...

Milkyway
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Re: Mormon Kabbalah / Working with a Goddess

[personal profile] arth_cerdded 2023-10-16 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Winifred Hodge Rose,

Thank you very much for this. It's very helpful to know that this is common, so that I know it's not just me projecting this into the scrying. I actually have a very positive out look on this, despite the unintended negativity in my post!

Regards,
Bert

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I initially found the idea here:

https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799207/m2/1/high_res_d/vol20-no3-191.pdf Changes in Heart Transplant Recipients That Parallel the Personalities of Their Donors - which outlined 10 cases with interviews from heart transplant recipients

Which led to a few other similar sources:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31739081/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1299456/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esufbk78h74&t=843s&ab_channel=JREClips (An interview of someone describing their experience.)

I found it really fascinating and it led to a few fun ideas I think could be explored to collide some characters and their traits within one person.

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Re: Mormon Kabbalah / Working with a Goddess

[personal profile] arth_cerdded 2023-10-16 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
JMG,

1) It's good to see an initial attempt at least.

2) Thank you for the encouragement. I will give it some more thought, but my initial reaction during the scrying was actually very positive despite the unintentional negativity in my post.

Regards,
Bert

Glass, styrofoam and paper cleansing

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
JMG,

I came across a lovely glass chess set on the sidewalk but my girlfriend gets an uneasy vibe from it. The glass is in firm styrofoam padding within a slightly worn cardboard box. What methods of etheric and astral cleansing would you recommend for these materials (if at all possible)?

Thanks,

Boston
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[personal profile] kimberlysteele 2023-10-16 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I just happen to have an essay relevant to this topic. Hope this helps:

https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/83892.html

[personal profile] boccaccio 2023-10-16 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello JMG, thank you for another MM. I read an article from Ayaan Hirsi Ali where she discribes her youth in Somalia, being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The whole culture was saturated with anti semitism and in the mosque she learned to curse and hate jews (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12629243/raised-curse-israel-pray-destruction-jews-AYAAN-HIRSI-ALI-Hamas-ISIS.html)

It strikes me as malevolent magic to use a mosque for collective curses and I'm sure this is not happening only in Somalia. Do you have any idea what would be the impact of a millions of moslims practicing cursing Israel? At least I would expect a lot of raspberry jam effect but other than that I wonder. And the same for Israel. Would there be a need for counter measures? If you have any insights in the magical aspects of this I'd love to hear it

Re: Mormon Kabbalah / Working with a Goddess

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Along those lines, Diana Paxson’s book “Essential Guide to Possession, Depossession, and Divine Relationships” is a very useful resource.

Winifred

Question About a Book

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello JMG! Thanks to Arthur Lovejoy's book, The Great Chain of Being, can we rebuild the healthy perspective on the sciences in the medieval and Renaissance worldview and thus integrate the occult sciences and today's sciences at the end of the age of reason? That's why I'm thinking of buying the book. Best regards

Q

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Greetings folks!

Does anything have a good theory why there’s a slow revival of religion (Christianity mostly but seeing some Islam and Judaism too) going on in the western spheres with intellectuals / intellectual adjacent people like Paul knightsnorth and nick land (who is Christian now as funny as that is).

The whole thing feels slightly hokey and on the nose so I’m trying to understand what’s driving it.

Re: Land acknowledgements

(Anonymous) 2023-10-16 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m exposed to a lot of events where those statements are made, and felt the same way. I got in touch with the Indian Land Tenure Foundation and after talking with them decided to make monthly donations to their Native Land Acquisition Fund and their Ag Extension Cooperative. This will help me not grind my teeth when listening to the land acknowledgements! On the other hand, quite honestly I might not have thought about getting in touch with the ITLF if I hadn’t been saturated with all those acknowledgements, so maybe it works……like magic!

Winifred Hodge Rose

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