Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 109

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Rabies is about the only one I can think of.

[guillem66]

What about tetanus and polyomelitis?

[(Anonymous)]

Tetanus was widely feared in 1930’s Pennsyltucky , it’s a most unpleasant way to die, and if, like 99.5% of the population, you had no money, no shot for you!

During most of the 20th century, if you sustained a puncture wound, you were automatically given a tetanus shot. For the last 25-30 years, they won’t give you one unless you haven’t had one in the last 10 years. No doctor or nurse has been able to explain to me why the change occurred. Does anyone know?

I am reading Stephen King’s new book, Holly. It’s a shame there’s no vaccine, or cure, for Trump Derangement Syndrome. 🙄. Whatever you do, don’t buy it; borrow it, as I did. His TDS is a shame as so far it’s not a bad plot.

—Princess Cutekitten

[guillem66]

Thanks for the data points. Here in Spain vaccines are subsidized, so for now it's the other way around, they abuse and overuse them. I was vaccinated 3 times as a child for tethanus. I'm no doctor, but i doubt it was really necessary.

That abuse is leading many people to believe all vaccines are unecessary and /or harmful.

With my children, i administered them only the vaccines made from atenuated pathogens or the protein based(proteins of the pathogen). The recombinatorial ones, like papyloma, are out of the question. Covid was of course never an option.

[(Anonymous)]

The book came to a screeching halt around page 200, but what leaped out at me between pages 1-200, and what’s relevant here, is how absolutely terrified King was of Covid. (Characters discuss which “vaccine” they got when they should be discussing how to catch the murderers.). If King’s typical of his class, they may well have talked themselves into believing their own lies. It was clear he completely trusted the government (and this is the guy who invented The Shop). A reading of pages 1-200 of Holly might be therapeutic for those inclined to trust the government about Covid, and for those who think the ruling class might forgive lese-majeste. King strongly implies that a world without Trump fans would be a much better world.

If you start the cautionary reading and manage to get to the end, let me know how it all came out.

—Princess Cutekitten

The Man In The Iron Lung

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting article about a man who contracted polio in 1952.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus?utm_term=64fc343a155d58b040a7e520d6194519&utm_campaign=TheLongRead&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=longread_email

—Princess Cutekitten

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[scotlyn]

Very interesting.

The article begins by mentioning - right out there in the open - the frequent summer spraying of DDT, which (along with some of its predecessor pesticides that were in use from before the turn of the century) have been shown to closely coincide with the rise in cases of poliomyelitis - the condition. Before describing and naming viruses was possible, poliomyelitis - the condition - was described as a (rare) paralysing complication of a common enteric infection (a tummy bug). For a complication to occur, the infectious disease may be a starting point, but other factors have to co-occur.

In this case, something has to remove the normal barriers which prevent infectious agents in the gut from entering the brain tissue (of which the spinal cord is an integral part).

Although there were researchers looking closely into the question of what might be making these normal barriers more permeable to infectious enteric agents, once a vaccine was being developed, all of this research was either defunded or "shadow-banned" from media coverage. Instead, a specific enteric virus (one of the many) was given the name "poliovirus" and everything was geared towards waging a war against this virus, which was now seen as the sole cause of the paralysis complication.

Now, there were some published papers raising awkward questions - frex, how it could be that when the victims of a 1958 outbreak of paralysis as a complication of an enteric infection were sampled with the new virus-detection tests, only 50% or so could be confirmed to have contracted THE poliovirus - the infectious agent - still the war against THE poliovirus continued to be waged.

Some people believe that it was the subsequent bans on DDT (for which much credit is given to Rachel Carson's book "Silent Spring") that did more to stop the epidemic of polio than the vaccines which received the credit.

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[methylethyl]

I've also read some interesting discussion of the rise of injectible medications, and the trouble with punctures. Some fairly plausible-sounding theories in there about the possibility that kids getting injectable drugs months or years earlier, had first introduced the polio microbe into their systems, in an unnatural way (normally your digestive system/respiratory immunity would destroy it. But if it rides directly into tissues on a needle...?), and that some later insult allowed it to spread uninhibited. I don't know if the theory holds water, but I found it compelling.

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if this might actually be related to how ADE is common from coronavirus vaccines but not infections. As far as I know, no one has figured out why it happens; but if the immune system reacts differently to things which make it into the body in a general way from things in the lungs, then it could be that injecting respiratory viruses into the body creates a different immune response in a way that coronaviruses end up using to their advantage.

I was wondering about this for a few years, and suddenly have a plausible explanation. I'm not sure if anyone has done the research to look into it, but it'll be easier to find it if it exists now that I have an idea of something to look for.

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[scotlyn]

I think you will find a great deal of research confirming that what is known as our "innate" immune system is continually operating in airway and lung tissue, and also in foodway and gut tissue, the reason being that these are the tissues containing a permanent "interface" between the "innards" of the body itself, and the outside world - which we need to interact with in order to breathe and eat. The skin itself is the largest permanent barrier between the body's "innards" and the outside world, and when the skin is breached this is indeed treated as an immune emergency, rather than normal operations (as in lung and gut).

An injection is certainly a breach of this skin barrier, and whatever we encounter in this form is definitely going to be treated differently, and by a different branch of the immune system, from that which we encounter at the tissues of lung and gut, where incoming traffic from the outside world is both expected, and tightly controlled.

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[scotlyn]

I remember reading research into the correlation - which is also apparently a strong - between tonsilectomy operations and meningitis in children. Meningitis is also a rare complication of common upper respiratory tract infections... something additional has allowed the infectious agents to penetrate deeper into tissues that are normally barred to them.

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[methylethyl]

I can see where that would be completely compatible with the exposure-by-injection theory.

Re: The Man In The Iron Lung

[scotlyn]

I do think that people need to understand that a large number of vaccines are being administered to prevent the rare complications of common infections - on the possibly false, and certainly questionable, assumption that the specific organism targetted by the vaccine is the only possible cause of the complication.

Eg. HPV vaccines - to prevent (rare) cervical cancer complications of (common) vaginal infections.
Meningococcal and HIB vaccines - to prevent (rare) meningitis complications of (common) upper respiratory tract infections.
Polio vaccines - to prevent (rare) poliomyelitic paralysis complications of (common) enteric infections

...and so on.

It seems to me quite likely that some of these infectious organisms have been eradicated or at least diminished in their distribution range, while the clinical complications keep on happening (sometimes given different names to obscure their connection to the original *complication* that was supposedly eradicated along with the infectious organism).

If there were not a profitable vaccine industry which enjoyed legal impunity for poor safety or effectiveness of its products, perhaps the research into how a common infection BECOMES a rare complication would be much better advanced by now. Actually, even now, few people fear common infections. But people do rightly fear the rare complications which can permanently maim and kill. And this is where it would be useful (from a public health point of view) to concentrate research effort.

[(Anonymous)]

How often is Rabies in people, my grandmother said that a relative recovered by being closed in a basement where among the food he found there was a lot of garlic, and that the garlic saved his life, basically 100 years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember looking into it before. Transmission is about 15%; so if a rabid animal bites you, the odds are about around 1 in 7. That still means most people who get bit by rabid animals won't catch the disease, but given just how horrific it is, I'd still take the vaccine, even with the extremely high risks of side effects.

[(Anonymous)]

so if a rabid animal bites you,

there is this very old technology called a stick, is amazing how effective can be against animals trying to bite you...

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously avoiding being bitten is preferable. So what?

[(Anonymous)]

Check out some anecdotes about rabid animals (the book Rabid is a good source). A stick might not save you.

—Princess Cutekitten

[thinking_turtle]

Someone recommended the book "The Dream and Lie of Louis Pasteur" by Trung Nguyen. It shows how Pasteur was caught in his own lies about Rabies. I haven't read it myself.