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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-09-05 01:49 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 109

notice anythingWe are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Science

[personal profile] boccaccio 2023-09-05 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of bad news from the science front the past few weeks:

1. A study found that 50% of the vaxxed still have spike in their body after 2-6 months. A control group of unvaxxed did have none. Igor Chudov goes through the study although he jumps a bit to conclusions imo: https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/half-of-vaccinated-people-never-stop

2. Pfizer’s vax weakens children’s immune system, a study shows. Again Igor goes through it: https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/pfizers-covid-vaccine-causes-vaids

3. Prions are in the news too. A study shows that there are amyloidogenic sequences in the spike protein that form prion cascades. Prion diseases are lethal and currently incurable. Could this explain the explosion of people with neurological issues like memory problems? https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.09.01.555834v1

4. Another pathway to neurological damage is explained in this study titled “SARS-CoV-2 RNA Persists in the Central Nervous System of Non-Human Primates Despite Clinical Recovery”. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.08.29.555368v1 This impicates that both the vaxxed and unvaxxed are at risk, but of course risk is proportional to exposure/infection.
PS The article mentions that “therapeutic interventions targeting the downregulation of ACE2…..may effectively mitigate the debilitating symptoms of PASC” – this sounds like advertisement for administering IVM immediately after infection as IVM works on ACE2 and prevents the virus from entering those cells lol. John Paul wrote some interesting substack posts about the latest research and more https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-mrna-spike-and-viral-persistence and https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-invades-the-brain-using

5. This study is titled “SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induces endothelial inflammation via ACE2 independently of viral replication”. It states that even without infection, the spike protein induces endothelial inflammation. Another proof that the spike is very biotoxic and that we should avoid exposure to it as much as possible https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-41115-3

open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
The following links contains the archives (.epub and .html, and for Vol. 2,3 and Vol. 4 there is .txt too)

Volume 1 (everything before 1st March 2022)
Volume 1 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/8dBxzC4B#AkuddhK1eMAHK8xtCquBd7Es_19uU0UVAuO26PJ61ow

Volume 1 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/8JYV3QBT#ydwISn-_JZGsa3KCfNlMPZSmCKWEFgTYMJJnsvN0D9c

Volume 2 (everything after 1st of March 2022)

Volume 2 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/INBEUapS#hp4rZVkoJCZ4yKEfz-gr48iMpOfLcSVqFWHeoGWq5a4

Volume 2 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/lQ5mEDiR#hrMVcUi03aJLuODjvTrFQbrmq4IRfqJMdO-Osd4c8Rc

Volume 2 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/xFomBI4K#qXMkKUAW2TErbruBb9i7pp30QNmQ8I-0isT7Yj1gfbo

Volume 2 (everything after 20th of September 2022)
Volume 3 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/pFZnUDzB#gO8-oXR7mcf5gAqH0cFCd-qiZ9Y9DNlDFkLlu4PzO0E

Volume 3 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/FA4kkCDZ#T0dTqIy-2nCo5ymTrXj8AtJDPT0lJMmpa2nb09FFPPo

Volume 3 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/FAxHEAQL#ulbzW9dbCfFEeI3o3e36lG-gJ_KwAmtXIxdcYQI7Bqg

Volume 4 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/JI4XXSwR#QAtlnIlK5lfjq4Mjku8ct3e5mcJKJZvVvZnZ1ZhOcvs

Volume 4 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/0BZjADgZ#Aqse1zdhH9rC-eR95MD0ujiuCFOY6Sin0jWu3aQ9Nyw

Volume 4 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/4RgDBKzR#_Qj587ReUthcojVov4w_tMYWJdlfc1r8iM-YZ_X4_ig

Re: Science

[personal profile] boccaccio 2023-09-05 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
An addition: has this study from July 31th already been discussed on this forum? “Multimodal Molecular Imaging Reveals Tissue-Based T Cell Activation and Viral RNA Persistence for Up to 2 Years Following COVID-19” (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.07.27.23293177v1)

If I read it correct the cause of the chronic T cell activation is likely persistent RNA and antigen in places where it is very difficult to remove it from. And with reinfection, these places get seeded again. That would imply that the immunological changes in Long Covid and following Covid will be very difficult or impossible to treat.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Does anyone know why western governments would refuse to allow the standard deactivated virus vaccines to be used for Covid-19? What is the rational for not allowing the type of injection used with influenza to be used for Covid? Why only allow highly experimental vaccines, of types which had never been approved for human use before?

This is one of the things which makes the least sense to me. With most of the rest of it, I can figure out how they could reach the conclusions they did, given the utterly insane assumptions and goals that were adopted; and of course, allowing for the usual amount of fraud and sleight of hand; but here, I simply cannot figure it out. I see no plausible explanation, even granting the tenets of the madness, for that decision.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Remember when I said the Covid fiasco would make a lot of people afraid of legitimate vaccines?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4177294-majority-of-us-dog-owners-now-skeptical-of-vaccines-including-for-rabies-study/

—Princess Cutekitten

[personal profile] tamanous2020 2023-09-05 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Anecdotally, a lot of people in my sphere (white collar crowd based out of the big metros) have been getting hit with bugs unseasonably early this year (and repeatedly too). Normally, I'd expect people to call out more during the winter months or feel overall worse once temperatures start to drop, but summer is still going hard at current. In addition, just today I heard of another "surprise" heart issue for a friend's supervisor. A healthy, mid 30s male. Not the first story I've heard like that lately either.

Re: open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank-you for doing this.

A cold!?

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Has anyone else caught what's going around? For the first time in probably 8 years I've caught a cold. Started with a mild sore throat, then lots of sneezing, a very runny nose, mild congestion, mild fatigue, and mild fever.

I blame my lowered resistance on lack of sleep and recent bad food choices. Or maybe it's just age. Or an enhanced bioweapon (kidding!!).

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
President Trump Addresses Vaccine Adverse Events for the First Time – Calls on Big Pharma to Disclose Safety Data Immediately

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/president-trump-addresses-vaccine-adverse-events-first-time/

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
First-Ever Spike Detox Protocol Appears in US Medical Journal: Here’s How You Can Get Better

https://vigilantnews.com/post/first-ever-spike-detox-protocol-appears-in-medical-journal-heres-how-you-can-get-better

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
First lady Jill Biden tests positive for COVID-19; President Biden remains negative

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-lady-jill-biden-tests-011232677.html
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[personal profile] methylethyl 2023-09-05 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
...because the companies making the mrna version bid more for the relevant officials?
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Re: A cold!?

[personal profile] methylethyl 2023-09-05 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, caught it last month. Rest of the house is over it-- it wasn't nearly as bad as the coof we caught last summer. But my lungs are my weak point, so I'm still working on clearing the last of it. We were all susceptible from traveling. It happens.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not convinced there are any "legitimate" vaccines.

Re: Science

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Another one for your list boccaccio - Rintrah points out how a new study claims that after 2 years, long COVID patients show improvement of their immune dysregulation. However, it seems like this isn't as good news as it sounds, because all the numbers look up, including the baseline for immune dysregulation in the control group!

https://www.rintrah.nl/population-wide-immunodeficiency-most-people-now-have-exhausted-t-cells/

The Ninth Mouse

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
(First, a disclaimer: all that follows is conjecture.)

Western governments seemed strangely eager for an excuse to deploy a vaccine tech that could be easily tweaked to work against a myriad of viruses, whether known or novel. Modify the mRNA payload, and instantly be able to generate an immune response to the latest threat du jour.

My gut tells me certain very highly placed people knew that SARS COV2 was an escaped bioweapon, with potentially disastrous results. So, all normal safety protocols had to be ignored in order to get something out fast.

Old-fashioned vaccine tech took years to ramp up production, and established protocols were slow by design because they were meant to catch safety signals. (Imagine that!) A much quicker alternative had to be deployed against what was feared to be a very nasty synthetic bug.

Sasha Latypova has said a lot about how the whole program was a thinly disguised military operation, which is consistent with high level panic over an escaped bioweapon.

As time passed, the chance to make a buck off the approved mRNA treatments simply reinforced the initial approach.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, like a lot of other dog owners, my pup suffers from "atopic dermatitis" (persistent widespread itching, with no clear cause).

Since cootie madness, I've often wondered how much this malady is a result of the boatloads of vaccines said pup was required to get to be adopted as a rescue dog.

I still judge the rabies shot an risk/benefit, though.

Re: open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
There aren't any standard deactivated viruses for corona viruses because, as has been known for decades, corona viruses mutate very quickly, therefore any given vaccine is quickly going to prove useless.

Oh well, the fancy high-tech with lipid nanoparticles and who-knows-what mRNA vaccines (so called) are also ineffective.

Petunias!

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Correction to my comment, I typed too fast without having had enough coffee: Yes, there are standard deactivated vaccines for corona viruses, they don't work for the reason I stated. Why were these vaccines not used by western governments? Because these were not financially advantageous to western stakeholders in Pfizer and Moderna, which used the mRNA "vaccines."

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I am one of them.

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
"Does anyone know why western governments would refuse to allow the standard deactivated virus vaccines to be used for Covid-19?"

They're evil and they hate us? We live in an endless nightmare clown parade?

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That's an easy one

[personal profile] homeopathic_meditations 2023-09-05 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
The reason why no conventional vaccine was tried in this case is because many conventional vaccines where attempted over the years for different coronaviruses, and all of them failed miserably in the trials. The coronaviridae family mutate just too fast and make for too much of a moving target for reliable, deactivated-virus vaccines to hit.

Not that this was not a problem for the experimental immunization treatments that came after (you may recall how the effectiveness dropped like a rock after the first, promising doses). But if you are looking for the reasons why all caution was thrown to the wind and no attempt was made to use a more "classic" approach, at least half of it was probably this fact. "Oh please! Somebody do anything!"

The other side of the equation probably has to do with the laboratories already having their experimental genetic treatments in the pipeline. I am not claiming they had under the table access to SARS-COV2 samples, but they probably had some "avian flu" neo-vaxes that could be repurposed on the rush for the target at hand.

Thank you

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Week 109! Thank you, dear JMG, and thank you forumistas.

I'm guessing that we're in for some chaotic and emotional weeks as people start to recognize that they've been conned, and many people killed and injured-- even while others fiercely resist acknowledging that.

Someone who works for me (to whom, back in 2021, I had gently suggested he wait to get the jabs, since they were, newsflash, experimental) and who thought I was nuts, and so he went and got the 2 jabs + a booster, is now suffering from a mild cold (covid?) again. He offered to take a covid swab-up-the-nose-test, I said, nah, don't bother. Then, more or less out of the blue, he volunteered that, no way, he won't take any more vaccines, ever. Then he said, a friend's healthy but thrice jabbed 30 year old son died in his sleep of heart failure last week. So I dared to get out my stash of the apple-flavored horse paste, gave him a box. Doctors where we are won't prescribe it, still.

Cetiosaurus

(Anonymous) 2023-09-05 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup.

While I think that overall, vaccines are over-hyped and over-used, I also think that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is ill-advised. I wonder if we're going to see a resurgence of people dying of things like lockjaw and rabies because they've become skeptical of all vaccines under all circumstances?

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