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It's getting toward midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says.

The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. I'm currently tracing my Martinist lineage. Papus and Chaboseau, the honorees of the last two weeks, each got their Martinist lineage by a tangle of mostly forgotten figures, so we can jump straight back to one of the founders of the tradition, Louis-Claude de St. Martin. St. Martin was born in 1743 in an aristocratic family and became a student of the elusive master Martinez de Pasqually, learning the distinctive system of theurgic magic Pasqually taught. Later in life, after Pasqually's death, he focused more of his attention on Christian mysticism, studied Jacob Boehme's writings, and penned a series of influential mystical tracts under the pseudonym "The Unknown Philosopher."

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Funny that Tower Time has come up here, my daily Tarot card today was the inverted Tower. I hadn't heard of it until it came up last week here, I think.

How does one navigate these pulls? I have to say I've noticed a pull towards Christianity as a lot of small synchronicities over the last half year or so, also in various articles. I practice Druidry, so maybe if that's a type of Neopaganism then this might be why I'm feeling this, but I have no desire to be swept up in some sort of enantiodromia between one or the other. I suppose, due to Christian theology, one cannot be a polytheist and a Christian, and worship many gods, including the Christian one.

It's a broader pattern. Right now, as our civilization's age of reason comes to an end, a lot of people are fleeing back to traditional religious forms, and that produces a certain pressure in that direction. It's certainly an option for those who can handle the ideology that comes with those forms, but it's in no way mandatory.

It should -- it's basically the same concept. I don't know if Ellis had any occult background but a lot of his ideas mesh very well with occult philosophy.

Hello Mr. Greer,

I have been wondering about initiations... What are their function? I'm thinking particularly in the case of magical orders, mystical orders, etc.

Thank you!

Good heavens, yes. One of your ancestors was a Freemason who belonged to the Knights Templar, one of the higher degrees of the York Rite. That's a classic KT sword. Here's a webpage from my local Knights Templar body -- you'll recognize one of the symbols.

https://yorkriteri.com/york-rite-commandery/commandery-degrees

You may pick up a little karma because you're helping some people pursue an addiction. That said, if it's the best job you can find, it's the best job you can find. If you have a relationship with a deity, regular prayer seeking the best way to deal with the job would be wise.

I mentioned the psychotherapist Albert Ellis in another thread this current Magic Monday, and for reading material that meshes well with the OSA, I'd recommend his book A Guide To Rational Living.

I found reading and re-reading sections of this book to be very helpful after I had done the OSA lessons, and I'm currently doing them again and using this book to look at the same topics from a slightly different angle.

It's more likely to mean that you would profit from, and have good luck with, association with institutions and nonprofit organizations.

Thanks for this as always.

There are two functions. First, the human mind naturally thinks in symbols. An initiation ritual is a symbolic drama; if it's done well, it can imprint a set of symbols on the deep places of the mind, and that can then be used by the initiate for various magical or mystical purposes. In effect, it does what certain kinds of meditation do, but much faster.

Second, there can be a genuine transmission of power in an initiation ritual. If the initiators know what they're doing, and received such a transmission themselves, they can pass it on, giving the initiate a significant jump ahead in the process of learning how to work with subtle energies -- again, the same thing that solo practice will do, but much faster.

I can speak some more on Dispenza’s work, which I’m learning is much broader than it’s outer face.

I recently was at one of his 1800 person retreats and witnessed multiple “miracle healings” (person with MS standing for the first time in a decade, crippling trigeminal neuralgia disappearing completely, spinal injuries vastly improving, feeling returning to “nipples” in a post double mastectomy, etc etc). They have also, at these retreats, had people heal completely from blindness, cancer, etc, either during or in the following weeks and months. It clearly happens regularly enough that he’s confident enough to tell people to expect it at the beginning.

The main catalysts are, after a full week of meditation, three coherence healings over three days where 1600 healers raise energy in a room at once and direct it at the healees all lying on the floor. I’ve been in plant medicine ceremonies, and those healings sounded about as nuts as the ceremonies.

They’re also collecting vast amounts of biological data and getting deeply promising results (brainwave, gene expression, protein expression, blood values, etc).

My question to you is:

Does this surprise you? Is this type of thing always happening, or is this significant? Is it perhaps a symptom of the second religiosity?

Fun fact: when asked to recommend books to the under 26s at the event, he recommended, among other things, two alchemical texts (The Red Lion and Brother of the Third Degree). There’s definitely more to him than a first pass reveals.

I wonder how the transition from the Piscean Age to the Aquarian Age ties in with what we are seeing?

The Piscean Age was dominated by religions and ideologies that each claimed to be The One True Way. Of course, there were always lots of different One True Ways, even within religions such as Christianity, Islam and Marxism, which guaranteed never ending strife as people fought over which One True Way was actually The One True Way. As I understand it, the Aquarian Age will be much more individualistic and eccentric, with more of an emphasis on people going their own way and finding their own path.

What if I were to decide to discontinue my studies sometime after performing the initiation? Or what if I were unable to continue sometime after performing the initiation? Would I suffer any negative consequences? Could I pick up where I left off?

Thank you!

If you don't mind my jumping in, one reason would be that not all heathens are comfortable with worshipping Hel, as her role in the mythology is somewhat ambiguous, and we don't have clear evidence that she was worshipped by historical heathens. That being said, a lot of heathens do, and Her worship is not quite as controversial as figures like Loki or Fenris.

If I am being honest... I'm supposed to engage in a self-initiation later this week, and I am bothered by the fact that I don't really know what I am getting myself into.

You may find useful

https://theomagica.com/blog/book-review-emil-stejnars-the-four-elements-the-secret-key-to-spiritual-power

https://theomagica.com/blog/book-review-emil-stejnars-magic-with-astrology

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your responses. Jeff, I am working on a project not dissimilar to what you are doing with your daily candle. Most of the days are pretty easy however Saturn is the odd ball. I do find myself using two separate Norse deities per day to cover as much of the aspects as possible. Sol and Baldr for Sunday for instance. I like your idea of using Idunn. So I might try a combination of her and Njord for Saturday.

Other Dave

I will mention Emil Stejnar's book in case it is of interest.

https://www.amazon.de/Emil-Stejnar/dp/3900721092/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=X19N6UBCSNGU&keywords=Emil+stejnar+four+elements&qid=1690854433&sprefix=emil+stejnar+four+elements%2Caps%2C235&sr=8-2

It is on my shelf but I have not yet read it. Mr. Stejnar is working in the Franz Barron tradition.

shimrod

If the Neopagans were picking up on an Aquarian influence, every single one of them would perceive a different deity, or a different facet of a deity, coming into play. That it's all the usual apocalyptic crap and one big storm goddess muscling in sounds very Piscean to me.

As I understand it, meditation is primarily an astral and mental plane activity; and energy vampires work mostly on the etheric plane. Why would learning skills on these higher planes give any skill on the lower ones?

Ha! Okay, that's an excellent sign -- those two books are classics of occult fiction, and well worth reading.

No, it doesn't surprise me at all. 1600 people all directing energy toward some purpose can accomplish some pretty amazing stuff. I'd be interested to know what proportion of the healings remain effective after the event -- typically, most such healings reverse themselves after a little while, but not all.

That happens all the time, and no, it's not a problem. An initiation is an opportunity, not a mandate. You can go back later and pick things up -- here again, this is quite common.

Because each plane controls the plane immediately beneath it. Master your astral body and you control your etheric body.

Do you see any concerns with taking the core rituals in the Hermetic Golden Dawn system (the QC, LBRP, MP, R+C) as themes for meditation?

As each mythology describes the relations between the Gods and the ontology that proceeds from those relations, I'm not certain that it's fair to ascribe "ambiguity" to any given Deity involved in that ontology, since it's very completeness gives all contingent things their unity. I also do not ascribe to our ancestors the summum bonum of all divine wisdom, such that we should only worship the way that they have. I also understand that this may not be your position, nor Gullindagan's, but it often sticks in my craw that I see the Jotuns getting tire-tracks run over Them by countless theological buses that often have more to do with contemporary politics than with Their own worth as divine Individuals.
I've seen people who work with Hel that remove parasitical beings, move the restless dead on, and help people deal with their fears of dying AND living.
So far as it goes for myself, the "worst" that has happened when honoring Hel has been my left arm going pale, white, and cold, plus a bit of hearing the dead talking to me afterward. That last doesn't stick around long, as the rough and jumble of daily life seems to wear it off.

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