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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-07-23 11:44 pm

Magic Monday

Augustin ChaboseauIt's just past midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ hereAlso: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. 

The picture?  I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn.
I'm currently tracing my Martinist lineage.  That's rendered complex by the Martinist tradition that one does not name one's initiator, so we'll have to go back via slightly less evasive routes. Last week's honoree, Dr. Gérard Encausse, who wrote about magic under the pen name Papus, didn't act alone in reviving the Martinist tradition and founding the Martinist Order; he had the capable assistance of this man, Augustin Chaboseau. Papus and Chaboseau were medical students together, and were startled to discover that each of them had received the Martinist initiation by way of two different lineages. They each initiated the other, and thereafter worked together to preserve and transmit the Martinist tradition. Chaboseau's wife Louise was famous in her own right as a leading French feminist, and one of the first female pharmacists in France.

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(Anonymous) 2023-07-24 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Dear JMG,

I've been looking at the old OSA website that you linked to on Archive dot org in a different thread. I have some questions I was hoping you could help me with.

1. I recently asked you if the OSA system had enough depth to take one all the way to illumination by itself. The material on the old site gives me the impression that the OSA material might have a great deal of depth. It seems like the kind of material that one could keep going back to and discover new meanings each time. Would you agree?

2. Is there much theoretical/philosophical material in the OSA? I hope there is. Is there any to go along with the Octagon Society lessons? Or is the theory given in the other orders?

3. The Kybalion is mentioned in connection with the OSA work on the old site. Would New Thought be a good approach to use alongside the OSA work? The Kybalion and the rest of W.W. Atkinson's work is definitely part of that spiritual milieu.

I hope this isn't too much. Thanks for your help.

Best wishes.



(Anonymous) 2023-07-24 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi JMG,

Thanks for your answers.

I do have a follow up question.

I've read some posts about New Thought on your other blog, and I am interested in your thoughts on the following:

Q. Do you think that New Thought is "only" useful for interpersonal and psychological changes? In other words, do you think that New Thought (the more realistic material) can be used to cause external changes in ways that are not entirely related to the way other people perceive you?

I suppose I'm wondering if, in your opinion, New Thought can produce results similar to those producible through magic?

Thanks for your Magic Mondays!