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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-07-23 11:44 pm

Magic Monday

Augustin ChaboseauIt's just past midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ hereAlso: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. 

The picture?  I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn.
I'm currently tracing my Martinist lineage.  That's rendered complex by the Martinist tradition that one does not name one's initiator, so we'll have to go back via slightly less evasive routes. Last week's honoree, Dr. Gérard Encausse, who wrote about magic under the pen name Papus, didn't act alone in reviving the Martinist tradition and founding the Martinist Order; he had the capable assistance of this man, Augustin Chaboseau. Papus and Chaboseau were medical students together, and were startled to discover that each of them had received the Martinist initiation by way of two different lineages. They each initiated the other, and thereafter worked together to preserve and transmit the Martinist tradition. Chaboseau's wife Louise was famous in her own right as a leading French feminist, and one of the first female pharmacists in France.

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Re: Lottery Magic For Not Winning The Lottery

(Anonymous) 2023-07-25 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
(not OP)

I don't know... I've been thinking about this kind of thing occasionally for a long time, however informally, and it's hard for me to see the intention of "I pick whatever the number is that will come up" as different from the intention of "I control the variable which is 'whether or not the number I picked is the number that came up' to have the value 'true'", and that in turn doesn't seem that essentially different from the intention of "I control what number comes up".

I'm not sure how to explain the intuition quickly, but it might help to consider all the possible timelines in light of things like the butterfly effect, and think through which ones would be made more likely or less likely if your intention to pick the numbers that would come up succeeded, and then think through which ones would be made more likely or less likely if you instead intended to pick some numbers and then have them come up. The "random" chance that propagates through your thought process, into your decision about what to try to make the future look like, is not clearly different in kind from the "random" chance that propagates through the space and time leading up to the random number generation.

(Also it might help to study the abstraction called "structural equation models", to help formalize how these two forms of random chance could be separated: structural equation models show various ways of carving up a partly-random situation into a deterministic part and random inputs feeding into the deterministic part.)

I have a hard time seeing how those two forms of "random" chance could be caused to line up, one way or another, without there being some kind of intelligent mediator or infrastructure or something to make that happen. And if it has intelligence, it might also have consciousness or otherwise end up with independent opinions about whether it likes what you're attempting. Or maybe just opinions about whether what you're attempting is somehow self-contradictory on a broader scale, so that it might as well just start deterring you now (e.g. in order to be maximally helpful given what you will foreseeably have ended up wanting later). You might think it's just "scrying" or "dowsing" or whatever, "just" perceiving some underlying fact, but it would clearly be weird for it to be a simple minimally-processed mechanical linkage from the future fact to an intuitive perception, so probably there's something going on under the hood that you don't know about.