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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-07-18 11:46 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102

fairy talesAs we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That's really interesting, you maybe onto something. The number of people who have internalised the deeper understanding of something vs the number who know it in a rote memory way might be different too. I find I often casually agree with something when I'm learning it but the deep aha moment happens later when I've developed a more complete picture of what it is I'm learning, and once that happens, I really understand it. It's possible a number of people are at the yes I agree with it stage of learning about authoritarian systems etc but haven't had their aha moment yes now I really understand the meaning behind it.
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-07-22 11:13 am (UTC)(link)
In a way, I probably began to learn the "shape" of thought control when I was young and lived among people for whom the question "how is your walk with Jesus?" was not considered impolite or intrusive, and the expectation is that you would respond with a bit of soul-baring.

I learned that I preferred privacy, the privacy of my own thoughts... and later in life when I was attracted to political activism, I learned to steer clear of those who thought nothing of asking "how is your consciousness raising going?" with the expectation of an equally soul-baring response, without recognising the intrusiveness of such a question.

The "shape" of this sense of the increasing social permissiveness of such privacy intrusions - "have you tested?" "are you vaccinated?" (Why are you asking me about a private health matter?) also came to the fore during this pandemonium.

In all cases the "shape" feels the same. As if a group of people have decided that certain privacy intrusions will be treated as universally permissible, that some kinds of thoughts must be subject to group policing.

I don't know if I've phrased this well, but these types of "shapes" that carry over between disparate groups, often at odds with one another as to goals or motivation, is what I notice.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-22 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this. I am also a private person and I was always uncomfortable with “giving testimony” or what have you, and hated that the usual response to my hesitation was something along the lines of, just let the Spirit in, he’s waiting! And then suspicion if I still didn’t respond as expected. Because lacking spiritually was the only possible reason for not wanting to bare my soul to anyone who asked…

Because being a selfish racist was the only possible reason for not wanting to declare my vax status to anyone who asked…

The parallels are exact but I hadn’t fully connected the dots, thanks for pointing this out.
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] bofur_the_dwarf 2023-07-23 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ha, excellent comments! Yes! As quite a private person myself, this helps explain why I'm something of an "eccentric" Christian although I've never put the concepts together this way before.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-22 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
The word that immediately came to mind in this thread was “interdisciplinary”, which was something to be sought out during my undergrad degree at a liberal arts college, but seems to be a dirty word here in Australia. Higher education has become ever more blinkered, kids choose their majors straight away and there are no gen ed requirements, so they aren’t even exposed at an introductory level to ways of thinking in other fields, and the main reaction from most students is, why should I bother with anything not directly related to my major, what could it possibly teach me? Pattern recognition or application across different disciplines is treated with such contempt. Just learn what’s in the textbook for the exam and don’t think any more about anything. So here we are.