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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102

As we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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That's really interesting, you maybe onto something. The number of people who have internalised the deeper understanding of something vs the number who know it in a rote memory way might be different too. I find I often casually agree with something when I'm learning it but the deep aha moment happens later when I've developed a more complete picture of what it is I'm learning, and once that happens, I really understand it. It's possible a number of people are at the yes I agree with it stage of learning about authoritarian systems etc but haven't had their aha moment yes now I really understand the meaning behind it.

I got to thinking about this some more and recalled that my decision against the experimental gene therapy involved a basic risk assessment calculation (in addition to my natural contrariness and other factors).

The basic formula is: A<BxC If this statement is true, then it is worthwhile to do the thing, because the benefit is greater than the cost. Here, A is the cost of mitigating a risk (in this case, that's mostly the side effects of the shots). B is the risk that you are trying to mitigate (the danger posed by "covid"). C is the degree to which risk B will be reduced by the proposed mitigation strategy. At the time when the experimental gene therapy was becoming available, the cost A was pretty much unknown. The long-term risks were, of course, completely unknown. Even the phony trials had found enough problems to suggest that the short-term risks were not trivial. Effectiveness C was advertised as close to 100%, although a close reading of the trial data suggested it was quite a bit lower than that. The one factor that was pretty well established by that point was the danger of covid B. Based on what I knew at the time, it looked like for an otherwise healthy person under 60 or so the risk was pretty dang close to zero. If factor B in the equation is zero, then it doesn't matter what the other two factors are. There is no scenario where it makes sense to pursue a mitigation strategy because the cost will always be greater than the benefit. In 2020, it still looked like there might be some people for whom risk B was great enough that the formula might resolve to TRUE and thus recommend getting the shot. With what I know now, I'm not convinced that it ever makes sense for anyone. However, if I had been part of a "vulnerable population" I might have gone for it based on what I thought I knew in 2020. I certainly don't fault my parents for their decision to get it.

FWIW...it has occurred to me that any form of 'wisdom' is a type of meta-pattern recognition, and that recognising patterns within social interactions is an essential step #1 in making any sense of the world for anyone with 'Aspie' type traits - which many of us here seem to share...no?

I have a question for the commenters, particularly for those of you with some medical knowledge.

In the last two years, I have heard of three different people having sudden "health issues" and needing to have, quote, "emergency surgeries." It was never clear what the health issues were or what the surgeries were for - in each case, the person in question was a work associate who I knew only slightly, and everything was all very vague. But in every case, the people were to all appearances perfectly healthy prior to the crisis - and they also all happened to be True Believers in the Cootie-pocalypse, so they also would have been multi-jabbed.

What puzzled me about these cases was the use of the plural - emergency SURGERIES, not SURGERY. Until recently, I don't ever remember hearing of someone developing a sudden health condition and needing multiple emergency surgeries - it was always just one surgery (like a one-time appendectomy or bypass or something). And it's been my experience that people would usually say what it was for - they wouldn't say "health issue" and "emergency surgeries," they'd say "emergency appendectomy" or "emergency bypass" or some such.

Does anyone have any idea what sort of sudden health issue requiring multiple emergency surgeries might strike an apparently healthy young or middle-aged adult? Is it likely that this is something jab-related that they don't want to talk about?

It's all just very strange.

Why didn't I get the jab? The simple answer is, I got «the coof», in March 2020, and figured, that since I had had the disease itself why would I want any jab against it, after the fact. How could I be so sure that I had it? First, I had a test done afterwards, which showed the presence of antibodies which in turn meant that I have indeed had the correct virus. Second, the set of symptoms were so peculiar.

The coof itself was the worst kind of flu-like thing I've ever had. It started out mildly enough, but had me down and out of action for six weeks. It was the weirdest thing, symptoms coming and going and moving about, like the faults in a 1970s car from British Leyland... Six weeks of that before I could consider going anywhere outside further than the 15 m distance from the front door to the gate and mailbox by the road, and back, then crash for four hours. I had some friends help with purchasing food, and they left the bags by the gate then I could pick them up there.

While this was going on, I had time to read and research what this was all about, what was going on inside me, as well as finding out what food to eat or not eat, and if any vitamin or mineral supplements as well as other drugs were good or not. Sceptical, I did want to know what I ate, having been aware of the problems with carbohydrates and weight gain for more than 10 years already. So this investigation came naturally to me -- I've always been wanting to find out how everything works, ever since I took apart alarm clocks, speedometers and transistor radios, as a kid. Now I don't have the equipment to actually look at small things like viruses, so I had to be content with second-hand observations and descriptions. Plenty of these; I was not bored.

There were reports of how people who had had the SARS-COV-1 still were immune to that more than 10 years later, and something similar could be expected for this second version. So here was another justification for no jab after the sickness.

And the jab, there were some very interesting articles about how it had been figured out, how the uracil nucleic acid had been replaced by pseudouridine, and the lipid nanoparticles were used to make sure this stuff stayed around long enough to have the cells in the body make the spike proteins. Experimental as could be, and soon the questionable effects started to become known, which the jabbed ones getting sick over and over.

Somehow, a number of friends also had decided, independently of me and each other, that this jabbing activity was not for them. That was a pleasant surprise. But many others have had the jab, most of them now look quite a bit older than their chronological age.

Heh. We'll see.

In a way, I probably began to learn the "shape" of thought control when I was young and lived among people for whom the question "how is your walk with Jesus?" was not considered impolite or intrusive, and the expectation is that you would respond with a bit of soul-baring.

I learned that I preferred privacy, the privacy of my own thoughts... and later in life when I was attracted to political activism, I learned to steer clear of those who thought nothing of asking "how is your consciousness raising going?" with the expectation of an equally soul-baring response, without recognising the intrusiveness of such a question.

The "shape" of this sense of the increasing social permissiveness of such privacy intrusions - "have you tested?" "are you vaccinated?" (Why are you asking me about a private health matter?) also came to the fore during this pandemonium.

In all cases the "shape" feels the same. As if a group of people have decided that certain privacy intrusions will be treated as universally permissible, that some kinds of thoughts must be subject to group policing.

I don't know if I've phrased this well, but these types of "shapes" that carry over between disparate groups, often at odds with one another as to goals or motivation, is what I notice.

Some uncomfortable speculation:

There may be some very dark things happening under the surface of Canadian society, and the nation may be starting to experience the blowback. The unanswered questions around the conviction of suspected serial killer Robert Pickton, and the rather alarming number of disappearing indigenous women, do make me wonder about what has been happening behind the scenes.

Discernment was a word which kept coming up for me in my interactions with various compliers in my social circle. Luckily I was never pressured by them to conform, but I could see up-close their confusion, and I always thought to myself, if only I could tell them, in a word, discernment. Sun signs can be misleading, but I like the archetypes associated with them. I am a discerning Virgo, and proud of it… and I’ve always gotten along well with Scorpios.
-waterrabbit

Very much the same. Watching my family, friends, co-workers become clearly different people as they went through the 'vexination' process was eery and they basically dissuaded me in their actions/behaviours/statements about the un-vaccinated.

I used to not have very much TV options growing up and watched tape recorded episodes of Star Trek TNG. There's an episode where basically everyone but Riker gets 'addicted' to this brain washing game (looks a lot like google glasses!) and he ends up 'alone' but still surrounded by all the people. I always found that the scariest thing. The parallels between the initial 'You should try this it's awesome' to 'we're tired of you not complying' to Riker being chased through the ship by all the rest of his former 'friends' trying to get him to try the brain washing game and the way the 'vexination' pressure from Society unfolded was incredible.

I owe that episode's writers a lot of thanks ... I would recommend it for those who watch TV and have 44+ minutes to kill. Stuart Cram

For what it's worth, when someone here said, back in 2020, that this was an "intelligence test," I posted that I didn't quite agree, because a lot of intelligent people had gotten it wrong, and I said that I thought that it was instead more of a wisdom test.

Wisdom is different than intelligence, although the definitions can be hard to nail down. Generally speaking, intelligence seems to be more about things like analytic problem solving, logical thinking, the ability to take in and process new information in an efficient manner, etc., while wisdom is often thought to be more experience-based and to have a more "practical application" component.

I think what we're trying to parse out here is, was there some sort of "pattern-recognition across different contexts" skill that resisters tended to share - something that enabled us to say "no, it's not different this time, this is just the same old abuse/authoritarianism/lying/manipulation that I've seen (or studied) before, and/or this is just the same old flu-like respiratory virus behavior that we've seen before, I looked at the actual data, and it really isn't all that different this time," and to be able to stick to that perspective despite propaganda telling us we were wrong and crazy.

Maybe the ability to stick to your guns and believe your own perceptions when everyone around you is saying something else is also a key factor? Maybe that's part of wisdom? Because ultimately it doesn't matter WHY you thought the covid response was a scam - it could have been any one of the factors I listed, grounded in any combination of intellectual knowledge, instinct, prior personal experience, or faith - but the important thing was that once you perceived it, you stuck to and trusted your own perception, and were able to keep stubbornly sticking to your own perspective in the face of a huge society-wide effort to tell you that you were wrong, and punish you for dissenting? Something about having a stronger internal locus of knowledge/belief rather than a more socially-constructed one?

I don't know. I'm just throwing things out there. We've talked about what made resistors able to resist before, and it's an interesting question.

(FYI, I posted the pattern recognition comment above, as well as the original list of 10 factors that seemed to contribute to resistance to the narrative. I should probably make a habit of signing things...)

Mauve Erudite Stoat

Thanks, Mauve, for all the insights and musings.

Rudyard Kipling's poem still nails it, after all these years... IMHO.
Sound advice for sons, and for daughters, too!

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

"If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

"If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!"

Don't know if you know about the MBTI (Myers-Briggs personality typing system), which is based on C.G. Jung's work about cognitive functions.

According to the MBTI, there are 16 personality types, which are different combinations of preferred cognitive functions. What you described above are people with either introverted intuition (pattern recognition) or introverted feeling (deeply personal value systems) as their dominant function.

The interesting thing about the MBTI is that the types are not equally distributed among the population. Types with dominant extraverted functions occur at a higher percentage than introverts, sensing is more prevalent than intuition, etc. Introverted intuition as the dominant function only turns up in about 3-5% of people, iirc. If you added up the numbers of people who have introverted intuition or introverted feeling as either their most or their second-most preferred function, I suspect you'd come pretty close to the percentage of jab-resisters.

It wasn't Riker, it was Wesley Crusher. Riker was the one who brought the game on board the ship from Risa (scene with a Risa hooker at the beginning of the episode who seduced Riker into putting the glasses on). I believe this was the episode that led to Next Generation watchers expressing in disgust, that Wesley should be the Captain, or at least the XO, since Wesley saved the ship more often than anyone else on board. Wesley didn't age that well on the show. But Wil Wheaton definitely redeemed himself in Felicia Day's "The Guild" where he shows up -- in a kilt! -- as the leader of a rival guild in Season 3. Sex, lies, and gaming battles happened from then on. Good times! Okay, now I have outed myself as a total nerd.

In 2022 I peripherally heard of two similar cases. The first was just talked about as heart issues. The second was of abnormal tissue growth on the heart, which had to be removed. Both cases seemed to me to be “the thing” clots.

The word that immediately came to mind in this thread was “interdisciplinary”, which was something to be sought out during my undergrad degree at a liberal arts college, but seems to be a dirty word here in Australia. Higher education has become ever more blinkered, kids choose their majors straight away and there are no gen ed requirements, so they aren’t even exposed at an introductory level to ways of thinking in other fields, and the main reaction from most students is, why should I bother with anything not directly related to my major, what could it possibly teach me? Pattern recognition or application across different disciplines is treated with such contempt. Just learn what’s in the textbook for the exam and don’t think any more about anything. So here we are.

Thank you for this. I am also a private person and I was always uncomfortable with “giving testimony” or what have you, and hated that the usual response to my hesitation was something along the lines of, just let the Spirit in, he’s waiting! And then suspicion if I still didn’t respond as expected. Because lacking spiritually was the only possible reason for not wanting to bare my soul to anyone who asked…

Because being a selfish racist was the only possible reason for not wanting to declare my vax status to anyone who asked…

The parallels are exact but I hadn’t fully connected the dots, thanks for pointing this out.

TiNe, here. :shrug:

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Hear hear on the last paragraph. In a way, I am "grateful" for the apocalypse because it revealed to me why I always felt like there was something off about the story I was handed as a child.

Then, I truly seemed to be the outsider and strange. Now I see how strange "normal" is

Goodranchers.com sells unvaccinated (specifically non MRNA) meat and delivers it to your door

Excuse this self-interested, plug, but if at all possible, make a connection with a local farmer/rancher who raises animals on grass, in fresh air. See where your meat comes from in person.

I've got a tiny beef herd and the few regular customers I have really keep me afloat. Have never discussed the coof with any of them, but even in this area overloaded with narrative believers, I know we agree on raising meat humanely rather than "efficiently."

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Granddaughter university student of her own volition took the V to have a 'normal life.' Now, months later - Heart palpitations. Wearing a monitor for three weeks.
There is no joy in Mudville tonight.

I'm also in BC, and was a healthcare worker until they fired me ("with cause", so I was unable to collect EI).

The jab was first offered to us in December 2020.

I declined early on, though I did think, at that point, that I would eventually get it. However, when they were first rolled out it was in smaller batches and I felt that there were other HCWs who were in more dire need than I was. I worked casual ER Registration, so my shifts were on a called out basis, not full or even part-time; my contact with patients was already minimal. I decided I'd like the nurses and doctors on the frontline, or people taking care of our elderly, get first dibs before I moseyed on over to get mine.

As well, I wanted to wait and see a little bit -- I'd had bad reactions to flu vaxxes before, and this was new enough I wanted to know more before I just went and got it done. So I'd wait before I rolled up my sleeve.

Or, that was the logical thread going through my head. Underneath, there was a pulling in my gut: a very clear no. Do not do this. This will be the end of you.

The pulling in my gut didn't make sense to the brain that had been trained to accept Western Medicine as infallible, so -- very unlike my usual MO of always trusting my gut -- I did my best to ignore the finality of it and just told myself I was waiting and seeing.

This went on for a while -- we had several small batches arrive over the first half of 2021, and every time I declined, thinking through my logical process, feeling the pull in my gut get stronger each time, still consciously thinking, "Oh, I'll get it eventually, I'm sure I will."

In the meantime, my husband was, as is his love language, sending me links to things online that he found amusing or interesting. A big part of that was the theatre, for lack of a better term, around the jab rollout. All the big shows of "Look, this person is getting jabbed on live TV!" and when you look close there was...no needle. Or the plunger was already down. Or it was administered in such a way as to clearly be not an actual administration. On and on.

He sent me links, and we talked about it, and he kept saying, "I mean, I want to believe it's a good thing but...why all the theatre around it? If it's so great, why are they doing this?"

I didn't have an answer for him.

In May 2021, I started a full-time rotation at our ER Registration.

The hospital I worked at is in a small town -- as of the 2016 census, our stable yearly population was roughly 13K. It swells to about 20K in the summer.

Despite the tiny nature of my town, during my full-time rotation in ER Reg (which ended up being about 6 months), I saw an average of 1 vaxx injury a day.

I don't mean that every time the docs would conclude it was one; I mean, on the whole, I saw at least 1 a day of either an ER front page that concluded post-vaxx injury, or I saw a patient who came in and the first thing they said was "I just got the vaxx and immediately got such and such symptoms." Whether or not it was officially diagnosed as such, I saw enough people coming in stating their thoughts as to the cause -- and you have to trust the patient. (Something medicine has forgotten.)

As I watched this happen, I watched the broader narrative shift and change. It happened so fast as to be unbelievable.

I watched the stories pile up of vax injuries, and saw with growing concern the mounting body of evidence that the jab was interfering with women's menstrual cycles.

My lifelong dream is to have children, and my husband and I were going to start trying once my work morphed into full-time and I got benefits (and he was able to join me in said small town -- we've spent 3 years being partially long-distance). As the evidence for the jab interfering with the reproductive system piled up, I realized to take it would be a huge, risky gamble against my future fertility (something I already had concerns about).

All of these factors compounded, and by June 2021 I realized that the tugging in my gut, that had been yelling, trying to get my attention -- I realized it could not be ignored. If I got the jab, it would be the end of me. I knew it in my bones.

Later, I got confirmation from my main three deities that the jab was bad news, and that they were working to protect me and my loved ones as much as possible.

While I realized my gut feeling was likely a message from my gods, I didn't really glom on to the more spiritual component of the danger of the jab or how effective the propaganda was, not right away -- I interpreted "end of me" to refer to physical realities, like my health or ability to be a mother or my very life, and saw it as making sense that my gods would want me to continue to exist (I am more use to them alive, after all).

As time has gone on, and I've witnessed...things I find unfathomable within the pagan sphere, I realized there has to be something metaphysical going on with the whole thing (thanks in no small part to the forum here and the many good discussions that have opened my eyes to a whole realm of possibilities). Otherwise there's no other way to explain the abrupt about-face I've seen in people I thought I knew who went from being hippy/crunchy/distrust-the-man type pagan polytheists to "you need to get jabbed otherwise the gods will turn their backs on you."

I am still very angry about all this. As recently as last fall, they were preventing unjabbed people from visiting loved ones in hospital. Even if you were married. How I know? My husband almost died last year, with a bilateral pulmonary embolism. We came in to ER just in time. While he was admitted but in ER overflow (something all hospitals have for inpatients), I was able to see him (and care for him in ways the nurses did not have the time/energy to do). Towards the end of his stay, they moved him up to the ward, and for over 24 hours I was not allowed to go see him.

The only thing that stopped me from trying to anyway and making a scene was him begging me not to.

We got through it, and he's okay now -- but I still think about that and am suffused with rage. And I think, may all the people who had a hand in keeping me from my husband's side -- may they know the mercy of Hera.

And I can't say anything else about my feelings, or I'll have the RCMP knocking on my door.

Though if you were pressured to get the quaxx and said NO, I thank you even more because you are the direct reason why the Not-sees in charge were not able to go full Chairman Mao. You have my undying gratitude. May it bless you and bless you by the power of seven.

Thank you. Not ashamed to say this brought a tear to my eye. It's been rough and sometimes I wonder if I even made any difference. To know I might have...it means a lot.

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