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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-07-18 11:46 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102

fairy talesAs we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-07-20 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I appreciate this. Early in the pandemic, I found there were two books that jumped out at me - the first provided incredibly useful theory (although since I do not use herbs in my practice, not immediately practical. The second, though, put the theory I absorbed from the first into useful practical methods accessible to an acupuncturist, that I have been putting to good use ever since.

These are:
1) Aging and Blood Stasis, Yan De-Xin, Blue Poppy Press, 1995
2) Pricking the Vessels, Henry McCann, Singing Dragon, 2014
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] drhooves 2023-07-20 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Since I follow Denninger's blog for economic and techie info, I got a bit of early warning on the whole thing. It was late December of 2019 or early January of 2020 when pics and video from China were in the news, and it wasn't long before several folks were pointing out that it looked fake/suspicious. Can't say as I ever heard anyone here in the U.S. fell dead in the street, bleeding from the ears because of Covid. Then about mid February of 2020, Denninger posted he was stocking up on some essentials because it looked like a panic was on the way. So I also stocked up, and sat back and snickered at the fire drill a month later.

But it wasn't until I was sitting up at the American Legion, swilling a beer and watching hoops in early March of 2020 that the seriousness of the reaction set in. The crawl came across the screen that the Big 10 basketball tournament was being canceled, and not long after that the crawl said the NCAA tourney March Madness was also being canceled. I couldn't believe that all that money was being flushed down the drain for a common chest cold. As a side note, that was the last night the Legion held their Queen of Hearts contest for over a year.

I was not at all convinced there was an emergency, and certainly not a pandemic. Even early CDC numbers stated a 99.74% survival rate. From that point on I didn't want to give .gov the satisfaction I was going to cooperate. When I was laid off temporarily in April and May of 2020, I went on plenty of motorcycle rides in downstate Illinois and Indiana, in spite of Pritzger's lockdowns.

I had no opinion about Vaxxes, since I don't have any kids, but hadn't had a shot since I was in the military almost 40 years ago. If anything I leaned towards getting them, since years of propaganda had labeled the anti-vaxxers nut cases. However, Denninger was soon on the trail of that, and before they were released he warned of the dangers of MRNA technology. Between the posts here and on Denninger's blog, it was easy to have the technical ammo to "Just Say No" to the Jabs. Unfortunately, most of my friends and relatives got at least one shot, but I was spared most of the pressures that many endured.

Now, I just want a whole lot of accountability.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-20 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a number of people with whom I was friends for years, who I can no longer look at the same way.

A lot of them have tried to "reconnect" with me now that the "pandemic" is "over", and I'm just like, why? Why do you want to "reconnect" with me? By your own judgements, I'm one of those selfish, ignorant, rule-breaking, misinformed, anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists you were vilifying not so long ago. And even if I didn't support Trump, I hang around with people who did, people who you also hate and despise for their "ignorance" and "racism". Why do you want anything to do with ME? I'm not one of you. I used to think we had things in common, but now I know how different we are. Why are you still trying to "reconnect"?!

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] dendroica 2023-07-20 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I like this analysis. I would say for myself mostly #5 and #10, plus some #1 and #9.

Although I'm open to the idea, I'm not convinced it was an *objective* test (in the sense of it being imposed upon humans at a metaphysical/soul-sorting level) but it certainly can be viewed as a *subjective* test through the lenses of sociology and history.

These sorts of tests sometimes happen on a personal level (did you stop at the scene of the accident or drive on by?) or at a national level (did you rat out your Jewish neighbors to the SS, or did you shelter them?) but this might be the first time such a test of personal ethics and values has occurred at a global scale. Of course the other side sees it as a test too, and we are the ones with F's, but I'm pretty sure that when this is studied in schools a century from now we will be the courageous minority who stood up against dangerous insanity.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-20 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Not really. TDS happened.
Wasn't a fan of the guy before he got to be top dog, but the rabid and factually fragile reaction of his opposition kept me vigilant on where the smell was coming from.
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] bofur_the_dwarf 2023-07-20 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a fantastic compilation, it should be shared around.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
Many thanks for starting this thread-- it's good to recall what a long strange trip it's been for so many of us.

Initially, I was certain that nothing that no new drug, using such a novel technology, could claim safety. On general principle, I don't trust new drugs, and "wait and see" seemed the only wise choice. As the propaganda campaign ramped up to take the shots, I bristled. I long ago traveled and studied in the USSR, so I think that gave me a much better nose for propaganda than many people, and I dug in my heels more, despite not having any real specifics. Listening to Malone and Kirsch on Rogan's podcast was a revelation, as was running across Geert Van den Bossche's early aricles. I had specifics to hang my instincts on now.

I now knew firmly that I could not consent to the pressure. I risked my job at a place under high pressure to vax all staff, and applied for a religious exemption in the fall of 2021. It was granted, which still surprises me, but I did submit some supporting attestations from some members of my Quaker meeting affirming that my objections seemed a genuine "leading" in Quaker-speak. But I was ready to lose my job over it, and this community helped me greatly in staying true to a deep sense of what was right. As I posted here years ago now, I would awake in the middle of the night and notice how many disparate currents in my eccentric life had converged to this single point. I had to say, "No."

I had once instance of a seductive little voice in the middle of the night-- "Oh, just take the shot, it'll be easier, and you won't be harmed." My conscience immediately answered: "NO!" (or perhaps it was my innate stubborness.) Another time, I awoke in the middle of the night and realized what a twisty, conventionally unsuccessful path my life had taken. Another voice jumped in, reassuringly, "Well, you are eccentric. And that's an accomplishment!" I have had some success in maintaining a connection with that entity, whom I believe to be Theotokos (I got her name from someone posting here months ago, and it seems to fit.)

When my Quaker meeting established a "separate but equal" worship policy for the unvaccinated (me!) I ultimately realized that these were not the people I thought I knew, and I have stopped participating. No doubt there is some work for me to do here on forgiveness, but I'm sure that my break is more than just sour grapes. They were not who they claimed when it counted. I've started an association with an esoteric order JMG mentioned here, and on almost all days I do at least a mediation and some prayer. I am exploring unconventional spiritual paths-- independent sacramental movement, polytheism, Rosicrucianism, divination. All of it drives home that I live far too much in my head, but also that the world is filled with magic. What a time to witness, to make some small change in, and simply to be alive.

The people here have been my single biggest support for three years. Thanks to you all.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
1,000%
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Re: Astrological Angle

[personal profile] tritumi 2023-07-21 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
i have previously posted my story and the influences I am grateful for, including, needless to say, this community and JMG's discernment. Sanity, an oasis here,

Today I am just returned from three weeks in the US. For the first time, I visited with and even stayed with some of the folks who found my analysis of the Event distressing or crazy. These folk run the gamut from:

"there are things we cannot talk about" as a condition of meeting.

"other close friends agree with you and that is hurtful to me as I cannot accept them any more than I can accept you."

"your comments have some merit, how much I cannot say, but I am keeping an open mind"

"whatever, dude"

As others have noted, we did not experience the intensity of the psy-op here in Japan. I did not really appreciate the absolute mind heart and soul wrenching pressure those of you in FIVE EYES nations endured. I can only humbly salute those who have come through this Event with soul and sanity intact, whether you remained faithful to insight or for whatever reason took the jab and have come through mindful. Surviving an epidemic of madness is far more difficult than a mere virus.

We should be under no doubt however that the occupying power is just that and far from walking away is watching the timing for their next play in the game of control, withering, and reduction of humanity to a unit in service to their goals.

Going forward, we have learned life lessons not to be forgotten For many of us, the Event was the moment where we learned. For others it was the moment we recalled and then exercised a long-standing practice or autonomy.

Never forget. Keep your knowledge bright. thanks to all.

Re: The Inquisition Continues!

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for this, Ron M, much appreciated.

Re: Your Government Loves You

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I remember seeing that photo, or something similar, such a spitting image of pure health made me feel so very guilty over what I had done. LOL

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
covid-domide
vaxxine-domide
Vax-domide

Re: More gene therapy at work?

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
I joined a medical tyranny singles dating site once and gloamed onto a hot number whose 'favourite' turn-on was

'stimulating the gene expression for receptors and cytokines...'




Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
That would have sent me off the deep end. As it was/ is I find myself (mentally) in 'movie-type' scenarios I can't possibly escape from intact.
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Astrology and the Jab

[personal profile] frittermywig 2023-07-21 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
This was being shared around Twitter tonight, and I thought it might be of interest to Ecosophians!
jabbed by sign
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] p_coyle 2023-07-21 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
And for a professional athlete, the choice is really stark - stop chasing that ball around and the only thing you're good for is flipping burgers.

let me introduce you to joshua dobbs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Dobbs

yes, he's not tom brady, although he was drafted a couple rounds higher than "the best quarterback ever."

and yet he still made literally millions of dollars being a mostly backup. he majored in aerospace engineering in college, and did an internship with nasa while playing professional football.

yep, there's a burger flipper. prolly made more money as a football player than he would have as a scientist, too.
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Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] p_coyle 2023-07-21 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
and yeah, he probably took the jab to keep his job.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
CANADIANS – HEADS UP!

Earlier this evening I attended a talk where the topic was the latest assaults on our freedoms and well-being being orchestrated by the Government of Canada and its minions. People living in other nations should also take note – this could be happening where you live!

Did you know that there is a bill (Bill C-47) currently before Parliament that would greatly increase the number and cost of the regulations that currently control the sale of Natural Health Products (NHP’s) in Canada? This bill would reclassify NHP’s as “synthetic chemical drugs”. It would effectively make the sale of vitamins and other supplements uneconomical in Canada and force health food stores, herbalists and naturopaths to discontinue the sale of such products. It would effectively put them out of business. This would make allopathic medicine with its dangerous pharmaceuticals and vaccines the only game in town.

Did you know that these proposed regulations contained in Bill C-47 are NOT coming from elected officials? Rather, these proposals are coming from UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS at Health Canada!

I have argued in the past that it will never be enough to expose the politicians. The majority of these outrageous attacks on the people of Canada are coming from the bureaucrats in this country. There is a reason they are called “Mandarins” in Canada!

Klaus Schwab and his WEF have long boasted that they have 80% of Canada’s bureaucracy onside with their plans. I wouldn’t doubt that this travesty is that boast in action.

If you want to register your disapproval, you can contact the following:

Stephen Lucas, Deputy Minister, Health Canada
Email: Stephen.lucas@hc-sc.gc.ca

Natalie Page, Director General, Natural and Non-Prescription Health Product Directorate
Email: natalie.page@hc-sc.gc.ca


The second topic of the night was “15-Minute Cities”.

Did you know that Toronto is currently being divided up into districts that will facilitate the implementation of this plan – the goal of which is TOTAL CONTROL?

If you look around you can see that roadways have been narrowed. There are now signs in many wards indicating the distance in kilometers and time to other destinations throughout the city. It is all being accomplished by stealth because they know it is unpopular. The implementation is piecemeal and covert at this point but it continues nonetheless. They don’t care what you think!

I’ll say it yet again: they will not stop until they are made to stop.

Stay vigilant!

Liam in Toronto


Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
My thanks also for this succinct analysis, for this forum (and its most gracious host, of course) and all of its colourful and varied inhabitants - especially to Dan for this particular thread.
I am used to being a lone voice in the wilderness, and it is immensely reassuring and satisfying to hear everyone's story.
I can count reasons 1, 2, 6, 7, 8 & 9 as absolute givens (indeed, I would suggest many of them feed into one another) prior to the 'event'...and I have read, traveled and interacted with the world enough to have had various degrees of understanding of 3, 4, 5 & 10.

I am still flabbergasted as to how so many people displayed so little resistance to the onslaught of lies, manipulations and stupidities that we were all subject to (Yes, I'm talking to YOU, 5 eyes).
I am however, at present, grateful that despite the horrific damage done so far, the
majority of people I interact with seem to be (mostly) ok, and I'm beginning to think an apocalyptic health outcome is not as likely as I once feared.

The ability of our bodies, and nature in general, to heal themselves, never ceases to amaze me. Hopefully, as nature heals herself, and us, from this imbecilic and utterly Frankensteinien (is that a word?) tinkering with our/ her innermost workings - we won't get caught in the purge.

Tony_A

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
Please add my friend B.P.(by permission) to the prayer list for stomach and gastro issues that doctors have no idea how to treat. She also suffers from an old injury sustained in a traffic accident. Thank you.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks, RL, from a fellow Melburnian. What a wretched nightmare it was here under our tyrannical premier, Dan Andrews. I have never felt such an oppressive sense of evil and personal danger as I did at the height of the injection frenzy. I feel much better knowing there were other people in our sore beset city standing strong against the colossal madness.

- CB
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Re: Astrology and the Jab

[personal profile] tritumi 2023-07-21 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
Me and my fellow Scorpions for the win!

I am not talented in astrological analysis whatsoever, but given my sign's predilection for getting at the underside of a subject, rejection of th jab by a majority is not particularly surprising.

Brave Leo in the van. Sometimes bravery comes at a cost.
Edited 2023-07-21 05:17 (UTC)

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
I was pretty worried at the outset because of the videos from China of people collapsing in the street. During the first month I avoided most contact with people and as the disease spread across the world, waited to see if the world was really ending.

Turned out it wasn't. There was no mass death in countries without China's total information control and as the media fearmongering ramped up the holes in the story became more apparent. By June 2020 I was ignoring most of the control measures and tiptoeing around the madness when I had to.

Then they said a vaccine was coming out. From the get-go it sounded like a dodgy idea because all prior attempts at coronavirus vaccines had killed the animals they were tested on. Then they explained that it was actually a gene therapy shot that would alter your cells so as to make them produce a pathogen. I decided to sit it out for at least six months and see what happened to the people who took it. No point in volunteering to be a guinea pig, right?

Then came the heavy-handed coercion, the collective insanity of governments and media, and a steady stream of reports of mysterious illnesses and deaths, so many that the governments couldn't even do a proper job of covering them up. The decision made itself: never in a million years would I get the shot.

I never heard the voices people talk about and I had the great fortune of working jobs that didn't ask for private medical information. To me it felt like a simple 101-level test of critical thinking. Now the governments and the media are trying to push it all down the memory hole, but I have a feeling that, as they used to say, they may be done with Covid but Covid isn't done with them.

Re: Astrology and the Jab

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 07:37 am (UTC)(link)
That is cool.

Who'd have thought there'd be such a difference?

The Ninth Mouse

(Anonymous) 2023-07-21 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
If anything, I've become 'unenraptured' over the last five years or so.

The 'raptured' are still alive and kicking, but we've all now basically parted ways.

Time for me to grow up.

Spend my last decade or two with some different peeps.

The Ninth Mouse

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