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As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Well, this is a depressing essay. And probably true, as well.

https://billricejr.substack.com/p/ed-dowd-was-dead-wrong-on-one-prediction?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Glad your offspring is recovering.

I'm in San Francisco Bay Area. Caught a horrid flu in early November 2019. Worst flu in my entire life but sweated it out in bed under heavy covers while loading up on lemon and honey hot tea, nibbling on Brazil nuts (high in zinc) and sipping chicken broth for 3 days barely able to move being so weakened. I got super lucky feeling the first symptoms' onset while walking into a grocery store so I could get those nuts, lemons, and broth. Popped up with just a lingering cough for about 5 months.

My county's health department website noted in CY 2019 Qtr 4 a slightly unusual spike in "Influenza A" when I surfed there in mid-December 2019 wondering what kind of flu I'd likely had. Those previously easy to find annual county flu charts dropped off that county website sometime in 2020 when I next checked it after the bat flu fear porn was going full blast. See page 2 here for a hint at my county's 2019 Q4 Influenza A spike:
https://publichealthproviders.sccgov.org/sites/g/files/exjcpb951/files/Documents/flu-2021-week15.pdf

I have no doubt whatsoever most USA health authorities played funny bunnies with identifying who had what flu in CY 2020.

I had been doing a lot of work indoors in very close quarters in October and November 2019 with people from mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and Japan. One Asian gentleman had a very bad spitting cough. Perhaps I just got a standard seasonal USA flu or perhaps something "novel" to me from overseas. Or maybe simply work or other stressors tipped over my immune system. But whatever I got was novel to me because I never before had a flu cause me to lose so much lung capacity for so many months nor flatten me for more than 2 days.

W.R.

For info you can find the original "15 Signs of an Abusive Relationship" pdf on this page:
https://www.thewmhi.com/download-mental-health-resources/

Martin F

I think we'll see a resurgence if millions start dying. Until then, there are too many other things happening.

Sounds like what we had, and obviously, my offspring was in classes and around campus with students that had just returned from overseas, weighted towards Asia. Not saying it was from there, but who knows.

My offspring did not come near me for a few weeks also, much longer than I would have thought was needed. Which is what was reported for the bad virus (misdiagnosed in general as COVID) initially. I remember, they were saying could be contagious for weeks for the early 2020 illness. Off spring came to see me as was not going to make it for thanksgiving, so came a week or week and a half before thanksgiving for the weekend ( and, ironically, was in Japan for thanksgiving)

Thank you for your Bay Area data point

Interesting, thanks fredsmith11. It's almost as if the amount of disease in the population reaches some natural equilibrium we have no control over.

Martin F

So, what this could imply is that there WAS a real bad flu, and they released this mild COVID to both cover for it and out compete it so to speak ? So, the illness I had and the initial bad ones were the flu, and then the flu was reduced due to COVID spreading is what you are saying ? So it ws done to save us and to cover their behinds for releasing a bad flu.....

Then why the vaccines ? The whole vaccine push seems to go against that theory of the COVID serpressing the actual bad virus. Wether they released either one or not, they would know this was happening, so why the vaccines ?

I know some say the vaccines to push the whole great reset or slowly reduce population. But that all seems so complex. I have a tendency to not attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by general incompetence. Release a bad virus, then release a mild one to suppress it, just to then release a vaccine to reduce population ? that just seems to complex to me. Now, mistakes involving incompetence and Hubris, that I will believe. Otherwise, if wanted to reduce population, didn't need 3 steps, could have just picked any one step it seems

I remember President Trump saying that it would all just go away soon, almost over. Initially he said that. Which made sense to me, in whatever case of which virus or how it was released, as that is usually how viruses go. And that would also make sense if he knew that the COVID was suppressing the real bad flu.

But, then all of a sudden was forced masking, distancing, and then the vaccine which was initially fine as it was voluntary and just for old folks. And that would calm everyone down so ...ok... but it didn't...

So, why the vaccines if they already released a coverup

I first saw it over at bad cat
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-abusive-relationships

Martin F

I wonder if Frank Herbert's Dune is prescient here. What follows the digital age is a violent rejection of it and anyone who wants to keep it.

Sounds right on. Thanks for sharing.

Monochrome Impudent Turtle

Anonymous, Indeed!

Long ago I did work helping people who couldn't pay their medical bills. First thing I learned was merely calling the medical billing folks and offering to help make a deal would knock at least 10% of the total due. Then, just offer a realistic payment plan. $25/year in cash from an elderly migrant farmworker who only gets work a few weeks a year and is facing a full coronary ER, ICU and hospital huge bill? OK, approved! Seen that happen. The medical billing folks just don't want a stone cold dead debt on their books.

Many medical bills can also be reduced 30% if paid in full in cash or check within 30 days especially if no medical insurers are involved. Plus, new US federal laws in 2021 and 2022 require more transparency on many medical services so some consumers can shop a bit better for prices such as out-patient tests.

If anyone needs to hear something positive about Stanford after my rant above, I suggest reading or listening to professors Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and PhD-classicist Victor Davis Hanson such as here for audio, video and transcripts:
https://www.hoover.org/publications/uncommon-knowledge

W.R.

Thanks for sharing your experience!

I saw Stanford's nurses ever more overworked and underpaid.

I see the same where I live in The Netherlands, Europe. Nurses complain about reduced hours, increased administrative load, fewer colleagues, reduced time per patient, reduced opportunities. The worst is the schedule uncertainty: they learn only days before when they are allowed to work. Not knowing your hours is very hard to combine with raising children. Interestingly there was an increase in all of these factors early 2020.

pasty-faced software "bros" tech titan-tyrant-geeks who had usually no skills in math or biology whatsoever.

Those who get rich in software tend to have no software skills whatsoever. They can't retrieve a row from a database, open a file, or commit to source control. Their idea of how working software is born is not even right or wrong, it's an unrelated mental spectacle. Technical skills are not substantive to success.

If you visit a university city in Asia, you will find skilled mathematicians who live in relative poverty. Their skills are far beyond what goes for mathematics in Western universities. I think this disparity is relatively young. I examined some Dutch exams from the 1950s, and back then our universities were much more selective than they are now.

Oh I strongly disagree. The fabric of lies that they've assembled to cover up all the excess deaths is unravelling. You cannot take just this moment in time, see that MSM isn't covering it with wall to wall coverage (like they did with the China balloon / UFO for days while details about Hunter Biden's laptop was being leaked).. and say that the truth will not be widely known.

Just like the jab pushers inevitably have the Ukraine flag on their twitter profiles - did you notice how quickly the Russian 'coup' collapsed? NYT had 7 front page articles ready on Sat morning about the imminent fall of the Russian govt/regime (requoting Jeff Childers here, as I no longer even touch NYT with a 100 ft pole). Each new initiative of the jabberwockies is failing at a faster and faster rate. Within 24 hrs, with no real bloodshed... the 'coup' was over, all the western intel assets exposed and Russia able to clean house even more. They've (deep state/jabberwockies) tried throwing everything at the dartboard.. and a la Matrix-movie style, the bullets are coming back faster and harder at themselves. We are getting to the stage whereby anyone who still consumes MSM is likely viewed as a certifiable idiot by the general public - yes, we're getting there. It does take a while for generations of brainwashing to be overturned, but it's happening.

I have 2 anec-data stories that has implication for the level of excess deaths that we'll be seeing.
1 - I've mentioned this before, so just a quick recap. My 80 yo mother took 2 P shots. Normally she's super healthy and barely any illness through the years... yet a few days before each scheduled appt, she somehows falls sick, and we (my brother and I) convinced her to reschedule the jab appts... I've known all along that there's some sort of guardian angel overlooking our family - doesn't mean we're invulnerable, but some 'other' force has always been providing useful assists here and there to us. Mom's a trained MSM viewer, so believed the govt BS about shots being limited, that they don't have enough for everyone, that it's a privilege to get it earlier etc etc. We told her, it's total bullshale, just playing on people's fear of missing out for the the rollout, and then resorting to more draconian measures to force shots later. Anyways, she did take 2 shots at much later dates compared to her peers.. About 6 months ago, she developed serious appendix pain, and given her age, it was a very high likelihood that it was the big C. Appendicitis mainly occurs up till age 30 or so. In the midst of studying up on treatments for covid, I also boned up on medical treatment and understanding our bodies and the psychic links.. .so I acquired knowledge on how to treat the big C. I did that for her, mainly using the other dewormer that starts with F. Pony paste works great for cancer too... but depending on the type of cancer (faster growing or slower), one should use a more targeted one for better efficacy. Anyways, we cleared up the appendix issue within 2 weeks.

However about 3 weeks ago, she developed serious stomach pain. When I say serious, it means that even for a lady with super high pain tolerance (which I also inherited), it's bad enough to keep her awake. At the same time, she was developing seriously swollen calves/ankles/feet. There had been addition of a new member to one of her regular weekly mahjong games, likely the old lady who joined had been jabbed again within the last 6 mths and shedding like crazy on her. I could see the dark clots on her legs, which she said 'old people will get'. Daily doses of natto/serra took care of the clotting and swelling (every 2 days is for maintenance against background level of shedding). But my previous protocol for the Big C was not gaining as much traction. Yes, pain was less but still noticeable. So I switched to a more intense treatment protocol... interspersing high dose of the dewormers ... with a day of just high dose Vit C (liposomal C), then dewormers again. So finally cleared up the pain. There's more aggressive and complicated protocols available, which I would have done if necessary. Going forward, I'm no longer going to wait till things get to that extent... every 3 months I'll get my mom to take the F treatment for 3 days in a row as a preventive measure, keep the cancer count low enough that the immune system can keep it under control. I'll also be doing the same for myself. Lesson learnt.

2 - My wife had a mental break in early June, fully coinciding with the full moon and the start of her menses. I had been worried about that possibility, as she's been a civil servant for almost 3 decades... she was extremely senior before she retired in Oct '22. And despite being unvexed, even though there were onerous jab mandates in force, again our guardian angel somehow ensured that she was left alone by a vindictive system and kept working throughout. Why was I worried about her mental state? Coz she had been in the system too long, and despite my influence, still had some belief in the system, which in my eyes is already falling apart, which she intellectually agrees with, but she has problem fully accepting. Too much cognitive dissonance is not good, and I expect a lot more mental breaks from society in general ... anyways, she had been physically pushing herself too hard, and seem possessed during her 'fugue' states as she later calls it. She can't recall those periods of time.. but when she was in that state, she seem cogent and remembered what she was saying / doing in other fugue states.. Long story short, she went on a 5K run with the family.. and then became so exhausted that she was incoherent. At that point, she as entering the fugue state more often, and when given access to her phone, was sending odd messages and calling people talking about conspiracy theories against me or others etc. Long story short, I used my connections to ensure that she got top notch medical care.. not something I was inclined to do initially, as I honestly don't have much respect for all the various hospital heads that I know personally... but another doctor friend said, look the system is overwhelmed, if the connections are not activated, who knows when or who will oversee her case. So yes, she got attention much earlier than a general patient would get in the govt hospital... tests were run promptly.. in fact, once the spinal fluid was extracted, they could see that there was some infection, and to cover all bases, some samples were sent out-country to the Mayo clinic to run even more obscure tests... aka the whole gamut of tests was done .... and in the end, all came back negative. Aka the system is going to have issues answering the medical issues that people will be getting. Anyways, while she was in the 6-bed wards, we could see that 1 out of 6 were young people who had suffered strokes or mini-strokes, often with major head bandages after falling etc.

As I told my wife, she can check her calendar... even though she only meets her retired civil service friends like every 3 weeks, they are the compiant sort and would be 'up to date' with the shots requirement.. so for sure some are likely crazy level shedders, which our normal protocol would be insufficient to counter. So her health ALWAYS suffers after each encounter.. and this time was the worse. Again, it took time for her to fully accept that... Anyways, just a few days ago, we did a day trip across the border to Malaysia... eating at our usual breakfast coffeeshop under cool / wet weather, we had some nice soupy noodles. We asked the noodles lady what happened to another stall that we liked there, as it wasn't open (this other stall cooks a lot of different type of foods which folks can mix and match), and I could do special order of eggs for myself. Noodles lady said - oh the boss has some brain issues and has been hospitalized for 3 weeks already. The help that works at the stall can't handle the logistics ... hence stall closed. Now for the noodles lady herself, now the entire left side of her face is drooping and she can barely keep her left eye open. A La Justin Bieber. She had looked fine a month ago when we last saw her.

Thing is, Malaysia as a whole stopped jabbing more than a year ago... now the level of death and 'odd' injuries is piling up. Public agencies previous would have kept track of heart attacks/issues, cancer rate etc.. and those that are still publishing such numbers are seeing huge increases. Neurological stuff? often not public data... so I'd told me wife prior to the Malaysia trip, what happened to her is just the very small tip of a very large iceberg... that 1 encounter with 2 confirme incidents happening... does not bode well for folks who think that the medical situation will be 'ok' for folks if they are ok for more than a year. I have been detoxing my mother since her shots, yet she picked up 2 different C cases over time. For the average jabberwockie who didn't detox, turbo cancer should not be a surprise diagnosis given the odds.

Yes, and how many other 'big lies' do we all tell ourselves these days? So much censorship, self-censorship, lying, conspiring. . .

Let it out or tell the truth? There are so many lies underpinning 'the machine', surely speaking out is a recipe for disaster?

What to do?

Well, I'm going to defer to Assange here: “You have to start with the truth. The truth is the only way that we can get anywhere. Because any decision-making that is based upon lies or ignorance can't lead to a good conclusion.”

But is that likely to happen with all the vested interests out there?

It's not hard to understand why the author of this article is pessimistic about the truth of excess deaths being revealed by the MSM. Extending on that, it's not hard to foresee the flurry of lies building into total 'white out' conditions - especially given developments in technology and techniques.

If that happens, the only way to pick a safe path through the ultimate 'snow job' may end up being to unplug completely and only trust in knowledge gained through direct and unmediated personal experiences.

That or go mad.

The Ninth Mouse

Thanks for posting this. (It's good enough to make me likely break a promise and spend money on yet another substack subscription!)

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

I think the two event got more casualties than the failed "coup"!

Absolutely, there was something really weird around vaccines long before covid.

Vaccines have been some sort of sacred cow for many years (if not decades) now. We've had threads here about it before. I've mentioned how deeply weird it is that it's still possible to have rational conversations about other medical interventions, of the "yes they have their place but they do have risks and get over-used variety," but the second you suggest that vaccines have the same risk-benefit considerations as other medical interventions, one size does not fit all, just because a little might be good doesn't mean more is better, and there is likely a profit motive behind all the vax-pushing and the explosion of the childhood schedule, all of a sudden previously reasonable-seeming people will go full head-swiveling-360-degrees dead-eyed bat-shale bonkers and start shrieking pro-vax mantras like they're possessed by demons (maybe they are, at this point I can't rule anything out).

Somewhere, somehow, vaccination became a marker of an in-group belief system among certain groups of people. The Good People, the Smart and Educated ones, all KNOW that Vaccines Save Live, Vaccines Are Safe And Effective, Get Your Vaccines!, and that people who are "vaccine-hesitant" need to be Educated (coerced) into getting them (ALL of them), and anyone who questions this program is a stupid, ignorant, uneducated, misinformed, potentially dangerous "anti-vaxxer" moron, and clearly Not One Of Us, Dear.

The fact that this particular medical intervention has achieved this status is just....bizarre, to say the least. I've been watching it and puzzling over it for a good 20 years now. Seems like it just keeps getting more extreme.

W.R., I appreciate that you have witnessed the rise and beginning of the fall of a most unusual and driving place in our broader civilization. Fascinating details. Thanks for posting.

Edited (Two words) 2023-06-29 12:33 (UTC)

The problem is that the militant hypochondriacs are going to learn the wrong lesson from that graph. "See? We made the flu go away! Lockdowns work! Lockdowns forever!"

Re: "The subtext was pretty clearly "dumb minorities need educated." I'm sorry, but it was really gross."

Yes, totally agree. I found that kind of propaganda extremely stupid, arrogant, and offensive.

tech and NO

Thank you for pointing this out. I have noticed it, and it annoys me, but have not brought it into the light and articulated it yet, and it needed saying out loud.

I hate it. Do you want to upgrade to more expensive service? (hell no) yes/maybelater. Do you want to give us your phone number? (hell no) yes/maybelater. "Maybe later" is permission to keep nagging you about it until you either give in, or accidentally click the wrong button and then have to climb the glassy hill of inhuman "customer support" to undo it. They're counting on people being willing to pay extra for a service they don't need/want, rather than have to spend hours navigating the deliberate maze that is trying to reach a human being at the company who can fix it.

I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this.

Wayne Rohde, author of THE VACCINE COURT: THE DARK TRUTH OF AMERICA'S VACCINE INJURY COMPENSATION PROGRAM got on my radar when I transcribed his brief talk in Minnesota last year.

Wayne Rohde, Veteran Activist for the Vaccine Injured
"It's been a difficult battle mainly because, one, the medical community refuses to accept or acknowledge vaccine injury. It is real. It is not rare."
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/86945.html

I thought this announcement on his substack might be of interest to some:

15 week course -CICP & Vaccine Court Fall 2023 IPAK-EDU
https://thevaccinecourt.substack.com/p/copy-15-week-course-cicp-and-vaccine

Rohde says: "Announcing an encore 15-week 1-hour course and deep dive into the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and the CounterMeasures Injury Compensation Program. Starting in September 2023. I am super excited to be teaching this course. Last year, several guest lecturers spoke to the class regarding segments of the NVICP and CICP. I have secured several guest lecturers for this fall as well. We will have some very good discussion and debate on topics of vax injury compensation, how our legal system and federal agencies process claims, the ongoing argument of policy vs science in decisions. You will hear from a few parents and individuals that journeyed through the NVICP and CICP."

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines, thinking it would set them free. Permitting other men with machines to enslave them."

Quoting from memory, so it may not be word for word, but Herbert seems spot on. 'Never trust a smartphone junkie,' to update the line from Sid and Nancy.

Some years ago JMG did a post on that topic. Instead of the Butlerian Jihad, he recommended the Butlerian Carnival. Celebrate life without the electronic shackles instead of a jihad. Holy wars get messy.

German blogger Norbert Häring posted a very interesting article on Brock Chisholm, WHO founder and first Director-General, a few days ago. Häring posts mostly on economic issues, especially the secret war on cash many Western goverments are currently waging. However, the recent power grab by the WHO through new treaties got him quite irate and he does a lot of detailed reports on them.

Some of his posts are translated to English as well, as is the one on Chisholm. Some highlights:

The human race must be freed, he said, from “the crippling burden of good and evil”. Instead, the education of our children must “substitute intelligent and rational thinking for the certainties of the old people“, because „freedom from moralities means freedom to observe, to think and behave sensibly.”
[...]
His world view was ultra-materialistic and faithful to science. Though, he accepted as science only the mechanistic clear-cut cause-effect relations of physics, as they seemed to be valid until the end of the 1920-ies, until Werner Heisenberg, Niels Bohr, and others established quantum mechanics and its fundamental uncertainties. The same outdated mechanistic worldview, Chisholm applied to human thought and feeling.

He found myths and tales that stimulated the imagination and conveyed the morals and wisdom of past generations to be highly dangerous.
[...]
Chisholm’s use of language with expressions like “functioning,” and “valuable member of the human race” coming up often, sounds alarmingly like that of an engineer who has to worry about making a machine work and improve it. This use of language and this extremely technocratic attitude run through his entire book. It becomes clear that he conceives of the ideal world as a well-functioning social mega-machine in which every human machine part functions without interference or conflict.

So if someone is wondering when the WHO got off the rails, the answer is: at its founding.

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