ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 97

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Re "thousands of people with Long Covid" I'm curious which country/location is that?

Long Covid I interpret as "I'm sick from some unidentified source".

There are a squillion environmental and dietary toxins that accumulate and can make people sick. It's a difficult combinatorial challenge to narrow down to a specific cause when you're living in a chemical soup.

If they were already living in a toxic environment, the impact of the Covid spike could be enough to tip them over the edge. Ditto high exposure to EMFs e.g. 5G recently turned on.

Really what I'm saying is that people don't realise how toxic the typical urban environment is and at some point people's bodies cannot deal with the broad spectrum attack.

There's a big community of alternative health practitioners that make their living from helping people detox and get well.

I wonder about this myself. Is there any objective test for "long covid"? Like, do these people ring up positive for covid on a spit test? Or is every new case of hard-to-diagnose-probably-autoimmune-malaise now just classified as "long covid"?

I don't doubt there is such a thing as "long covid"... it's just, long drawn out post-viral illness isn't a new thing. I once took two months to recover from the flu. In my twenties! It was just an awful year, my immune system was tanked, and that year's flu was a doozy. Just about any virus going around will do that to a certain percentage of infectees, given the right circumstances, same as you get people who suffer a very very long time, or even repeated bouts of chronic illness, from epstein-barr, strep, bordetella (found endemically in a huge percentage of chronic bronchitis sufferers), and other fairly common pathogens. If you just look back at older biographies, it's quite common for people to get ill with something and then take months to recover, if they ever fully recover. There used to be really stringent rules for what to feed people who were recovering from illness (clear broths, a boiled egg every day...), because recovery was serious business. Now if you can't go back to work in 3 days that's abnormal?

So I'd like to know if "long-covid" is something really new, different, and specific to covid, or if it's just the same old post-infection extended illness that's always happened to some people. Is it more with covid? Do we know it's actually covid causing it? Or is it the same deal as "the flu knocked the stuffing out of me and I haven't been right for a month!"... because I haven't actually slowed down and taken the required time for my body to properly recover from a serious illness, but instead chugged nyquil and went back to work. I'm not sure what to make of it, because it's hard to get any specifics.

I’ve long wondered the exact same things.

—Ms. Krieger

Me three

The list of symptoms for "long covid" includes anything and everything that could ever be wrong with a person.

In most cases (those being where the actual occurrence of a Covid infection was verified by a positive test), the causal basis for attributing long Covid symptoms to Covid infection is the same as the causal basis for attributing vaccine injury symptoms to vaccination.

It's good to question what other factors might alternatively explain illnesses, but double standards don't help. I don't see any useful difference between "you call it long Covid but it might have been an environmental toxin or something else" and "you call it vaccine injury but it might have been an environmental toxin or something else."

I do see a difference here. The difference being that the vaccines have not been tested, and it is quite common for untested medications to cause horrific side effects, so tracking what's happening here with them is important, since there is an unfortunately high likelihood they'll blow up in our faces causing major health problems.

Long Covid though strikes me as odd. Presumably, if this is a thing, then it happens with other respiratory viral infections as well, since no one has given me any reason to think Covid is utterly unique and unprecedented; but I've never heard of illnesses like this being attributed to "Long Flu" or anything like that.

So I'm sceptical of the entire framework which says these are caused by Covid, since I'm unaware of any other respiratory virus which routinely causes extremely long lasting illnesses of the "Long Covid" form.

I'm also not saying it doesn't exist; what I am saying is that I'm sceptical it's as widespread as a lot of people seem to think it is.

"post-viral" chronic illnesses have been a "thing" for a very long time. The use of "-post" vs "long" is just a naming convention. Some people recover quickly from their illnesses, some do not.

One thing you're missing here is that covid infection is not verified by a positive test. I know that's the accepted standard, but we need to remember that those tests are completely and utterly meaningless. A positive test (or a negative test, for that matter) doesn't verify anything whatsoever. Those tests have never been validated in any way, but even the CDC has admitted that positive results are not correlated to any kind of illness (i.e. 95% or more of positive tests are in people who were not sick in any way).

You're right that standards need to be established, but the fact is that the standard for diagnosing covid is complete BS - i.e. a meaningless lab test, without reference to any clinical diagnosis. This seems to be where we are: you get a lab test, which signifies nothing, and if you come down with any kind of illness at any time after that, we call it long covid. With the experimental gene therapies, a person at least knows without a doubt that he got a shot in his arm at some point.

While it is true that there is no verifiable test for infection (if one chooses to name the disease after the purported pathogen*)... but it is also true that people do *know* if they are sick, and their symptoms fall into discernible patterns. Leaving test results to one side, I have treated many people over the years who are able to tell me that "this [chronic pattern of symptoms]" all began after I came down with "that [cold, flu, tummy bug, etc]".

I can therefore confirm that, while most people do recover from acute illnesses, some do not, and their illness continues to express itself in low-level, often debilitating, chronic patterns of disease.

To a TCM practitioner, like myself, this tends to confirm that every disease is a dance with (at least) two partners - the pathogen and the host. The host experiences the attempts their body is making to clear a pathogen away, and to bring itself back to balance, as "symptoms". If these attempts succeed, the symptoms will clear away quickly. Otherwise the pathogen will "linger" and the host must continue to attempt to clear it, producing further symptoms, which, when the disease turns chronic, also testify to increasing diminishment of the host's resources and strength.

To treat a disease, therefore, strengthening the host, augmenting the host's resources, is as critical as weakening the pathogen. And the timeframe in which this takes place may be a short one, or a long one, often depending on how strong the host was, and how plentiful their native resources, at the start of the illness.

* naming conventions, of course, differ, and in the West, currently, we name our infections after the presumed microbial "invader". In Chinese medicine, the convention is to name our infections after the presumed climatic "invader" - ie Wind Cold, or Wind Heat - these are the most common acute infections - which can then (as I said) become complicated by excessive weakness in the host, or excessive strength in the pathogen.

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