Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 97

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting. I tend to agree with this. Focus on the failure of the authorities/ the elites, not some competing/ alternative viewpoint. (Perhaps we are too quick to overlook that without the authorities to trust in, most people are completely lost.)

All I can say from my experience is that the few times that people asked me why I didn’t get the “Covid jab”, my response has always been, “Well, first of all, they don’t even work…”

Interestingly, I have never been able to get to a “second of all” because the reaction I got was always a sort of mumbling and changing the subject. Honestly, it was disappointing to be unable to get past my first point!

Although I never got into the epic argument I was hoping to valiantly win, perhaps the fizzling out of the conversation was for the best. I don’t know if I convinced them of my position or what. All I know is the conversation quickly fizzled out.

That’s just my experience, for what it’s worth. I have only spoken openly to a few people about this, so that reaction might not indicate anything more broadly.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here,
Yes, I've experienced the 'mumble and walk away' too. In discussions early on (as currently I"ve had no 'in the real' arguments now, nobody wants to talk about it, only online arguments) I would immediately bring up how the shots were experimental, how EUA meant emergency use, i.e. 'not fully tested', how most vex candidates in general fail and the ones that have 'succeeded' take 5-10 years to fully test for safety, ("how could they have tested it properly in less than a year?" I would say. "Do they have a time machine? Or maybe they sped up time? How can you shortcut a long term safety test?"), and go into how previuus coronavirus vexes failed spectacularly, etc.

It appears these were not the arguments they were expecting and essentially they had no 'ammo' to respond with.

There's been a focus on 'finding the facts' that have been censored and put into the 'taboo' land of 'alternative media'. Mostly facts about the actual horrible side effects of the vex. While these details are exremeley important, there are also plenty of 'open air' facts that simply can't be censored Like the fact they *are*actively censoring. And to these indisputable facts, strong arguments can be made.

You can't make an informed decision if you can't hear both sides of a story. I would say something like "what if you were a jurist in a domestic abuse trial and the court only allowed testimony from the alleged abuser and the victim was shut up and not allowed to testify or present evidence?" Or pick something personal to the person: "How would you feel if you were robbed and the police only went to the robber to ask what happened?" etc.

The media have been coaching people to expect anti-vaxxer triggers, conspiracy theorists rants, Trump reactionism, flat earther denials of basic science, etc. When you pin them down to some simple basic facts, there is no logical way to respond. That's the ridiculous part; the use of fear has pushed people to be irrational. The focus is on 'fact checking' but the facts actually don't matter so much to those in fear.

[(Anonymous)]

Well said.

I love this:
"Do they have a time machine? Or maybe they sped up time? How can you shortcut a long term safety test?"