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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 97
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)Lately, there've been posts asking for help citing references that the vex causes side effects 'so I can convince some friends' to not take the vex, etc. Putting aside the issue of whether these posts are data mining for future censorship (and if you really have been reading this forum for a while but still need help finding sources of info, that personally raises a red flag for me), putting that aside, the first thing to address 'undecided' friends is to point out the indisputable fact that they are being prevented from seeing all the information, prevented from making an informed choice. The censorship is active and aggressive and that is not hidden.
Until we abolish 'Ministries of Truth', you can't trust official narratives.
So instead of framing it as 'well here is some alternative info for you to look at', the starting point for convincing the undecided should probably be more like: 'The info given to you by the institutions, the authorities, the 'Science', your government has failed miserably when put in practice (lockdowns, masks, social distancing, vexes, mandates, etc). They have failed you and whether you believe it was malicious or innocent, they have failed you. They are actively censoring alternative info and you cannot make an informed choice. If you cannot accept that something has gone terribly wrong with these institutions, then asking others to provide you with sources of alternative views is not the problem you're having.'
Any thoughts on how to change the ongoing covid discussion toward the undisputed censorship and the inability to actually have an open discussion?
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(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)******
DID YOU ASSUME YOU'VE BEEN GETTING "ALL THE NEWS" FROM "THE NEWS"?
Read: "How Fact-Finding Fauci Led To My Cancellation At Forbes"
by Adam Andrzejewski, Mar 9, 2022
https://openthebooks.substack.com/p/factfindingfaucicanceledforbes
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I'd still recommend it, and just as warmly now in June 2023. However I am no longer so optimistic as I once was about trying to open anyone else's mind. I've concluded that, well, when they're ready to consider that things are not all that they appear to be, they can lift a quavering little index finger and apply that to their keyboard... It isn't hard to find out alternative information. But it's impossble if you have your head buried in the sand-- and your arm hanging out for more jabs.
I would suggest that you not underestimate the trauma, and the shame many people may experince when they realize they've been systematically lied to about all things covid. Most people who bought the story and got all the jabs simply are not ready to discuss this openly, o matter what information you show them, it's too dangerous for their sense of self, and it unmoors their sense of reality.
With the exception of one relative who was onto the scam from the beginning, and exception of some people I'm in touch with by email, the people in my family and social and professional circles, as far as I have been able to ascertain, are all deadset-certain that anyone who mutters anything about censorhip is an anti-vaxxer nut because, I guess, the New York Times is the fountain of Truth & Goodness in all Things Journalistic. And by the way Putin is totally evil and all Republicans are totally racist and transphobic, so there. Pass the catchup.
But back to your question. Now I would send anyone who would ask to RFK Jr.'s book THE REAL ANTHONY FAUCI because:
#1. It includes important, amply documented information about the censorship
#2. RFK Jr just might get more traction than anyone reading the NYT would ever expect in his campaign for the Democratic Party nomination--in which case, you wouldn't want to be "left in the dust," unaware of what's actually in that book, would you? Or do you want the NYT to just tell you what's in it? Oh, it sold over a million copies, but they never reviewed it. Funny how that is.
PS I can't say it hasn't occured to me that someone, hmmm, I wonder who, might buy a bunch of RFK's book* and maybe some other counter-covid-narrative books, oh I dunno, like maybe the one by Dr. Peter McCullough and John Leake, and stick them in the Little Free Libraries that dot so many US cities and towns. https://littlefreelibrary.org/
*All profits go to Children's Health Defense Fund.
COBALT FRAGRANT AARDONYX
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Based on ABS data, 1 in 7 deaths in Australia in 2022 were from the jabs. Of course the ABS doesn't say that, but where else did the mysterious excess deaths come from? (Yep I know, climate change probably).
How come Australia showed the exact same rise in COVID cases and excess deaths post-jab as every other heavily jabbed Western country?
But why stop with the jabs? You can truth bomb any major societal delusion - trans issues, Ukraine, climate change, the green transition away from FFs, the EU sanctioning its own energy supplies leading to a recession heading for depression.
Does it make a difference? I'd like to think so, but I don't know. People are on their own journey and I couldn't even convince my kids not to get jabbed.
Do people get angry? Strangely No. They used to, but these days when I talk about jab deaths they say nothing, or mutter a sort of agreement then change the subject. Maybe a point comes where the truth is so obvious that they don't have the emotional energy to argue anymore.
As other people have said, who comes across ordinary people still saying "I'm so glad I got the jabs".
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As for the question about shifting the dialogue to censorship, all I can say is it's weird. I've had conversations at work with a guy I'm really friendly with, a dyed-in the wool old school liberal. He was skeptical of lockdowns and masking but was all in on the shots (and both he and his brother now have developed unexplained heart issues that have required them to go to the ER and then a cardiologist, who has a six-month wait). I told him I wasn't vaxxed and wouldn't get it, and why. I'm pretty sure I've told him three or four times. He just seems to forget. Each time, I've told him why I don't trust Big Pharma and that no regime that engages in mass censorship does so because they are good and benevolent rulers. It's like he can't remember and hold the information.
I have gotten to the point that I don't even bother with most people. They don't want their dreams disrupted by unpleasant realities. If you're five shots in and lining up for more at this point, there's probably no getting through to you anyway. Whenever I see someone shilling the shots now, I just think "Go boost yourself" and go about my day.
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(Anonymous) 2023-06-14 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)All I can say from my experience is that the few times that people asked me why I didn’t get the “Covid jab”, my response has always been, “Well, first of all, they don’t even work…”
Interestingly, I have never been able to get to a “second of all” because the reaction I got was always a sort of mumbling and changing the subject. Honestly, it was disappointing to be unable to get past my first point!
Although I never got into the epic argument I was hoping to valiantly win, perhaps the fizzling out of the conversation was for the best. I don’t know if I convinced them of my position or what. All I know is the conversation quickly fizzled out.
That’s just my experience, for what it’s worth. I have only spoken openly to a few people about this, so that reaction might not indicate anything more broadly.
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(Anonymous) 2023-06-14 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, I've experienced the 'mumble and walk away' too. In discussions early on (as currently I"ve had no 'in the real' arguments now, nobody wants to talk about it, only online arguments) I would immediately bring up how the shots were experimental, how EUA meant emergency use, i.e. 'not fully tested', how most vex candidates in general fail and the ones that have 'succeeded' take 5-10 years to fully test for safety, ("how could they have tested it properly in less than a year?" I would say. "Do they have a time machine? Or maybe they sped up time? How can you shortcut a long term safety test?"), and go into how previuus coronavirus vexes failed spectacularly, etc.
It appears these were not the arguments they were expecting and essentially they had no 'ammo' to respond with.
There's been a focus on 'finding the facts' that have been censored and put into the 'taboo' land of 'alternative media'. Mostly facts about the actual horrible side effects of the vex. While these details are exremeley important, there are also plenty of 'open air' facts that simply can't be censored Like the fact they *are*actively censoring. And to these indisputable facts, strong arguments can be made.
You can't make an informed decision if you can't hear both sides of a story. I would say something like "what if you were a jurist in a domestic abuse trial and the court only allowed testimony from the alleged abuser and the victim was shut up and not allowed to testify or present evidence?" Or pick something personal to the person: "How would you feel if you were robbed and the police only went to the robber to ask what happened?" etc.
The media have been coaching people to expect anti-vaxxer triggers, conspiracy theorists rants, Trump reactionism, flat earther denials of basic science, etc. When you pin them down to some simple basic facts, there is no logical way to respond. That's the ridiculous part; the use of fear has pushed people to be irrational. The focus is on 'fact checking' but the facts actually don't matter so much to those in fear.
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(Anonymous) 2023-06-15 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)I love this:
"Do they have a time machine? Or maybe they sped up time? How can you shortcut a long term safety test?"
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(Anonymous) 2023-06-15 10:15 am (UTC)(link)The Cape Byron Light House Declaration
https://lighthousedeclaration.org/about/
*** COPY PASTE ***
During the Covid era we have witnessed unprecedented censorship of health professionals and scientific opinion globally. As a result, many people in Australia – and worldwide – are still missing vital information.
A number of health practitioners spoke out early in the pandemic about the preventable suffering, death and disability resulting from poorly evidenced government policies that consistently increased Corporate and Government stakeholder profits, whilst simultaneously using their positions of trust and authority to deny and punish those who dared to exercise their rights of freedom of speech and informed choice. These professionals were heavily censored in the mainstream and social media – and attacked by regulators.
This censorship has caused harm to you – and to your country.
Early on, each of the three organising members of The Cape Byron Lighthouse Declaration, guided by their ethical obligations to protect their patients and clients, individually attempted to raise public awareness about the enormous potential harms of Covid policy. All three had their licenses immediately suspended, threatening their careers and livelihoods. Additionally, they experienced bullying and censorship resulting in their professional reputations being challenged with limited opportunities to address these issues publicly.
These individuals represent a tiny fraction of the health professionals globally who have been censored, ‘disciplined’ and targeted in various ways, including highly-credentialled and published doctors, scientists and academics – as well as public figures.
It’s time to stop censoring the genuine voices around the world who have refused to remain silent – and also to give voice to those who have been too afraid to speak out. It’s time to stop attacking the free speech of all individuals, along with the imposition of punitive actions that prevent such individuals from being able to function professionally.
Whether in their personal or professional capacity, individuals have the right to freedom of speech around many contentious matters. That includes Covid-related issues such as lockdowns, masks, early treatments, preventative health options, and mandated injections – as well as issues unrelated to Covid, including, but not limited to, medical interventions, childhood gender dysphoria and data privacy.
Not only has information about cheap, safe, and effective early Covid treatment protocols been systematically blocked, resulting in needless suffering and death. Tragically, we are now also witnessing the censoring, silencing, and targeting of individuals who attempt to share their ‘lived experience’ after suffering an injury resulting from a Covid-19 ‘vaccine’. Their contributions are being systematically attacked and disappearing from social media.
Disciplinary measures taken in various countries have differed in degree, but one common ‘trigger’ globally has been any discussion of potential harms from the new synthetic, gene-based technology used in Covid injections. Regulatory bodies in many countries have ‘gagged’ and blocked health professionals from discussion on a whole range of issues where an opinion might be contrary to government policy, or where corporations are involved in public-private partnerships that raise questions around potential conflicts of interest.
As a direct result of such silencing and censorship, the majority of the world’s population is still unaware that gene-based technology remains experimental – and that this entire ‘vaccination’ roll-out has been part of the largest, still ongoing, human trial of any medical intervention in our lifetime. Although some of the measures have been lifted and many feel that things are ‘returning to normal’, evidence continues to mount that confirms the ongoing detrimental impact on people’s lives, their livelihoods and their overall physical and mental wellbeing.
The best expression of a ‘duty of care’ for each other is never derived from profiteering mandates of conflicted Government or corporate policies. It always comes from humble human beings prepared to give up their reputations, livelihoods and status, to courageously speak the truth – no matter what.
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