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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-06-06 01:34 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 96

absurdities and atrocitiesAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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[personal profile] bofur_the_dwarf 2023-06-11 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
This one is jaw-dropping. I normally only listen to videos but found myself stopping to look at the photos:

https://rumble.com/v2t0typ-looking-for-clues-in-the-canadian-fires.html

(Anonymous) 2023-06-11 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
Some of those pictures might have a reasonable explanation, depending on what the surrounding area looks like. But the first few, with whole neighborhoods of houses burned to ashes while the trees in between them are intact, are just clearly wrong. That's no forest fire.
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-06-11 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm amazed that these pictures are reportedly several years old, and I have seen no outcry about "who is testing strange weapons on us?" Admittedly, I'm much more "up" on the scholarship in the medical sciences... which has always been ongoing, if often suppressed.

...but there should be some odd (if suppressed) articles and published research from fire forensics experts on aspects of this. Anybody seeing anything like this?

(Anonymous) 2023-06-12 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
This is the first time it has come to my attention, but a quick net search brings up several major legacy news outlets debunking the notion of "lasers" or "energy weapons" causing forest fires.

These days, when the legacy media takes the time to debunk something, my first thought is that it is probably either: a) true; or b) a red herring to conceal what's really going on.

I have no idea what's going on in this case. The idea of the government using microwave lasers to destroy rural towns seems far-fetched, but mostly from a technological standpoint. I wouldn't rule it out just because it's a monstrous thing to do.

What else could be going on?

(Anonymous) 2023-06-12 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
If the US had any sort of weapon of that kind, all of Russia would be ablaze right now. Ipso facto, effective energy weapons are not the cause of those bizarre burn patterns. Nonetheless, they are weird and inconsistent with burn patterns seen in historic forest fires.

Wild fires are weird phenomenon though, with flames often passing along roots underground to pop up miles away from the initial burn zone. Sometimes a fire will stay in place for days, burning everything to char. Other times they move like tendrilling fingers, leaving untouched patches intermixed amidst burn zones. Yet other times they rage past as towering walls of flame that exhaust the most easily combustible fuel in a matter of minutes and quickly move on.

In the latter context, the burn patterns on the fence posts don't seem that unusual. The fire rapidly ignites everything flammable, seeping into any joints in any wood construction. Then it blows past, allowing most flames to be extinguished by the gale-force winds behind it. However, any fledgling embers protected from the wind by being inside joints or holes in wood could go on smoldering. That's part of why wood houses so often burn to the ground when the surrounding trees survive.

Of course, trees are living beings that have evolved as complex an array of survival skills as any other living being. Their trunks are divided into containment zones in multiple directions. In healthy trees, infections are not allowed to travel in and out from the trunk, nor up and down it, nor sideways around it. In heavy windstorms, crystalline structures in tree's trunks form into great chains to stabilize against the force coming from the predominant wind direction. Creatures complex enough to accomplish those feats surely have a suite of built-in protections for enduring wild fires as well, including temperature-insulating bark and waterlogged phloem.

None of that is to deny that something peculiar is showing up in the aftermath of recent forest fires. But what's showing up does not appear to be unusual enough to point towards some stealthily suppressed human conspiracy being behind it all. More likely, the unfortunate effects that humans have had on moving around previously stable planting zones, spreading novel fossil-fuel-derived chemicals hither and yon, bureaucratizing fire management to the point that no knows what cockamamy protocols they might be testing this week, and breaking our social contracts sufficient to incentive budding firebugs are all contributing to the strange remnants that recent fires are leaving in their paths.

— Christophe
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-06-12 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
Christophe - unusually for your good self, in this post you are not explaining, you are "explaining away". In situations like this, I find that if we lack good explanations, it is better to keep looking for them than to suggest none are needed.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
Scotlyn, I in no way suggested that no explanations are needed. I detailed plenty of stupid human behaviors that could be contributing to the strange aftereffects of recent wildfires. Any sane civilization would be looking into which ones are causing these peculiar outcomes.

What I was trying to do in the rest of my response was to give some useful reference points to anyone who does not have much experience with wildfires, so that they would not get all swept up in the alarming theories presented in the video. The photos of peculiar burn patterns are disturbing enough on their own, without the "expert" suggesting their utterly unprecedented nature in his imperturbable, straight-man style. It's a very compelling shtick. Al Gore played that same one to the hilt, always describing impending cataclysm with his signature restraint.

Wildfires are weird. They do very unpredictable things. Why someone who clearly knows this fact would turn around and sensationalize those weird results as suddenly demanding wildly elaborate new explanations, cut from whole cloth, is quite beyond me. I didn't see anything in those photos that needs to be "explained away". I saw things that need to be studied and better understood, without being bizarrely sensationalized at an uninformed public. How many people influenced by that video will ever go on to research exactly how peculiar historic wildfires have been behaving all along? How many people influenced by that video will believe that the "reasonable" questions posed by its straight-faced "expert" are being ignored for nefarious reasons by so many wildfire experts in the field?

If you don't like the explanations I've offered, you certainly needn't apply them, but please don't insult them. Perhaps I am lacking in good explanations (I mean, I would probably be the last to know, right?), but at least I'm trying.

— Christophe
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-06-13 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Christophe -

Apologies, and thank you. And, to be fair, when I asked in my own comment, "where's the outcry [curiosity, fear, annoyance, speculation, research]" (which is what I'm actually still wondering) I did make injudicious use of the word "weapon"...

All the same, I do hope people wonder, and speculate, and test, and talk about, potential answers... which may well include some of what you have said... but which, in any case, are necessary to understand well, so as to lead to better prevention and response.

In any case, be well. And blessings on all your goings and doings.

[personal profile] coyote_girl 2023-06-12 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The evidence in that video makes a strong case the fires were started by some sort of high energy microwaves. Yes, I know fires can behave in weird ways, but not this weird.

For that kind of effect it would take *a lot* of energy. If it were 'space lasers' (masers), that would be a serious undertaking to just power the things. Maybe it was from something that was loaded onto a C-130 or big trucks. I don't think cell sites could be set up to do that sort of thing.

A couple of years ago I would have thought this complete tinfoil, but given that the DOD had a hand in the cooties shot, I wouldn't put anything past them. Just another malevolent DAARPA experiment.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not ruling out electrical/microwave weapons, but I wouldn't rule out some kind of 'naturally' occurring electrical event either. Perhaps if the Earth moves into a zone of higher energy, or if the landscape/ecosystem gets altered in some way and on a big enough scale, it may result in conditions that are more conducive to such an event?

Maybe changes due to climate change - a hotter Earth contains more energy, perhaps it might/can express that in unanticipated ways? I know not everyone believes climate change is happening and that it seems to get blamed for everything, but if it is happening then perhaps it might cause some strange phenomenon like this? Or at least this seems like something that is more in its wheelhouse than having a bad reaction to covid, or whatever.

The fires around where I live have been extraordinary in recent years. Absolutely massive affairs with pyrocumulus clouds, and freak events caused by the scale of them - the intensity of some fire related winds even flipped a 10-ton fire truck over in one place, and thick smoke blanketed vast areas of the country. Each night I watched this towering wall of smoke roll in on the sea breeze from nearby fires, it was like watching a sandstorm or something like that approaching. Then it would slowly 'clear' during the day as the prevailing winds blew the smoke back seaward. Then in the evening it came back. Rinse and repeat.

No sooner was that disaster over than we got smashed by a freak hailstorm with these huge balls of ice busting everyone's windscreens and writing off their cars.

And shortly after that we entered covidworld and a whole new, seemingly endless, drama began. . .

The intensity of all sorts of events seems to be building. 'Natural' disasters, frankenviruses and "vaccines", 'heated' world affairs. . . The predictable world of yesteryear is vanishing in the rear-view mirror.

Why not ramping 'natural' electrical 'events' too?

Or maybe this is another manifestation of TPTB trying to destroy particular ways of life in Canada and forcing everyone into a new one. It's not as if that hasn't been happening openly all over the 'collective west' and that they don't have 'plans for everyone'.

The Ninth Mouse

[personal profile] coyote_girl 2023-06-13 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Somebody did mention the possibility of a Carrington Event, while I could be wrong, I cannot see it being that localized. What was shown in that video did not look natural at all.

I am a bit further North in Western Washington, and yeah, the climate is changing. I've seen enough in my half century of living here to see that ball is already rolling. (Don't get me started on the stop climate change scam being pushed that rhymes too much with the 'we're all in this together' cooties bunk.)

Actually the one thing that has helped get me through all this cooties nonsense is to pay attention and help midwife the few acres I'm on. So far the vow 'Til death do us part' has dispelled every last hard sell of fear being pushed for me. Spending the last few days away from work mowing firebreaks makes a lot of sense if my heart is already married to the land. It is reassuring that we can also work with and build and ecology and not just destroy them.

That being said, I have geeked out on a bit of this stuff. Freaking cottonwoods burning from the inside out!?! A live one couldn't burn if you doused it with 100 gallons of #2 diesel. I keep them around here with the other trees because they won't burn and help for a natural firebreak.

Fires happen on their own well enough, and yes, Western North America does get dry summers, but what was shown for those specific fires ought to be raising more red flags than Chairman Mao's funeral.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, we're the same vintage, and I'm convinced that I've seen climate change kick-off in the course of my lifetime too.

I didn't have a lot of faith left in TPTB after the last round of big fires here in Oz - our PM seized the opportunity to flee, sorry, to go on "holiday" and evacuate himself and his family to Fiji, while the whole damned continent burned and much of the citizenry gagged on smoke or had it even worse.

Sure, I had little faith left in TPTB anyway after 'claims' of WMD in Iraq, not to mention all the rest of the lies, dissembling, and manipulations that preceded or followed it on every conceivable issue. But even after all that, covidworld, and a particular issue to do with Afghanistan that I won't go into, proved that they were capable of falling even lower in my esteem - I guess some things just have to be experienced to be appreciated. . .

These days I reckon that TPTB are utterly unfit for the job right across the whole of the western world - they're completely untrustworthy, and totally lacking the necessary character, competence, and intelligence for the positions that they hold.

They certainly do NOT deserve anyone's respect, let alone obedience, and I don't blame anyone for thinking the worst of them, because they've demonstrated time, after time, and time again, that that's exactly what to expect.

Anyway, enough ranting from me - I'm sure I'm not telling anyone anything new.

Good luck on your land Coyote Girl, may you stay safe, and long enjoy it.

The Ninth Mouse
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-06-12 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
Another thing that would be interesting to see studied, would be forensic autopsies on any animal remains from these burn sites. Animal remains were one category that was not mentioned at all in that video.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-12 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Mind if I make a couple of wild guesses as to what might cause some of these seemingly unusual burns?

Perhaps a natural, Carrington style event, might explain fires surrounding electrically conductive materials, such as the fence posts that are only burned where the nails/wire is attached? Although metal is a good conductor of heat too, so perhaps a regular fire might also be capable of doing that?

And/or

Perhaps the water in some areas is capable of transferring flammable gases? So, the tree takes up the water/gas mix, then there's a fire/spark, and the gases help burn the tree from the inside out? To support my last guess, I've seen footage of tap water burning in water contaminated by gas from nearby fracking. Much fracking in Canada?

That said, trees can burn from the inside out under 'normal' circumstances/bushfires, at least where I live, not that the trees around here necessarily share the same features - I do live in another hemisphere. . .

But I have seen fires do some pretty crazy and weird stuff, including huge blazes big enough to generate their own weather. I once had burning embers landing on my house from this bad boy:

"2003 Canberra firestorm, Australia
On 18 January 2003, a series of CbFg clouds formed from a severe wildfire, during the 2003 Canberra bushfires in Canberra, Australia.[9] This resulted in a large fire tornado, rated F3 on the Fujita scale: the first confirmed violent fire tornado.[29][30] The tornado and associated fire killed 4 people and injured 492."

My house was a street back from where any houses burned down, but burning embers were blown ahead of the storm and they set things on fire randomly - houses were missed and then one would go, which might help explain some of the footage in the link of buildings that had burned even though the main fire front/zone of total destruction hadn't actually reached them.

The Ninth Mouse

(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed, big winds can throw embers amazingly far which can burn down houses rather far away from a main fire and very fast. For example, October 2017, Tubbs wildfire in Santa Rosa, Calif. I was about a 2 hours drive away and the air was so low in humidity I could not get my breath to fog my glasses to clean them. VERY unusual. The wildfire started in foothills east of Santa Rosa. 230+ mph afternoon winds were created in some places by accelerating like a blowtorch thanks to the Venturi Effect caused by the terrain -- blowing directly at a super cheap subdivision. Houses there all single pane glass which implodes in the high heat (letting inside more embers) and super cheap roofs. A recipe for houses that go "poof" in 1-2 minutes to totally combust. Lots of "conspiracy theory" pix of that particular subdivision in the news this week of why did that subdivision's houses go fast to ashes while many large trees survived. Those trees survived due to their thick bark and not being oily-explosive trees like big mature eucalyptus trees or soft pine trees. That subdivision was super cheap land before the houses were built because in living memory another Venturi Effect wildfire blowtorch from the very same eastern foothills terrain had already burned it.

When I first saw the Quebec fires pop up simultaneously on that satellite imagery with very fast winds carrying the smoke plumes all in one direction to the southwest I wondered first had there been any lightning storms in the past 1-4 days which might have been smoldering along waiting for big winds to trigger a big blow up into a wildfire just like the August 2020 wildfires all around San Francisco Bay which had beforehand a (mostly) dry squall line of thunderstorm cells with lots of lighting pass through. I recall being woken up from a dead sleep n the middle of the night when that squall line moved through rattling my home's windows. - the fires which burned Big Basin State Park turning the sky orange for many days.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-000-year-old-redwoods-survive-wildfire-california-s-oldest-n1237949

I've followed California wildfires for many decades. Seen a shocking near lack of controlled burns and thinning around SF Bay Area which was mostly all logged by the 1890's and now has overgrown secondary very poor managed forest growth. When the Spanish first arrived here in the late 1760's trying to find SF Bay on foot (since the Golden Gate entrance is so foggy and narrow finding it from the Pacific Ocean is tough) they found all the foothills around it blotched with patches of green of all shades, with grey, brown and black patches, too, because the first people here had been doing controlled burns for millennia for lots of reasons from reducing oak acorn boll weevil populations to clearing sight lines to be able to see apex predators such as wolves and grizzly bears. Same thing happened in the eastern forests of North America such as in Quebec.

All said, if solid evidence comes up the 2023 Quebec fires were caused by arson or somehow manmade I'd not be surprised given this crazy times.

W.R.