Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 74

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[kashtan]

I've been wondering for a while if things were going in a direction that leads to mass suicide, not just because of COVID but because of the trajectory that society in general is going, specifically people's inability to deal with the failure of the religion of Progress. Now I see this post and JMG's below and the probability of such a scenario has just gone up in my mind. I know JMG has predicted before that a significant amount of boomers will go out that way, but I'm worried it will involve many in younger generations as well.

It's gotten me thinking, what would a mass suicide scenario look like? I should say, when I talk about a mass suicide scenario, I don't mean something that happens all at once, although it is possible we may see a few Jonestown scenarios along the way. I'd see it as more of a general normalization of suicide which goes along with greatly increased suicide rates. Canada may be paving the route that western "progressive" culture in general will follow.

What would a normalization of suicide look like? It could start the way it's happening now in Canada, with an increasing list of conditions that suicide is considered an acceptable solution, including psychiatric conditions in young people. Eventually, it would lead to basically anyone who's suicidal being able to get themselves a diagnosis where assisted suicide could be prescribed. Along with this, the narratives around suicide would shift in general, and it would become not only acceptable but encouraged for certain groups. This sounds like it's already happening in Canada with people that are ill enough to be a drain on the medical system, but once that ball is rolling it could eventually end up with people simply enduring normal hardships of life being encouraged to commit suicide.

One shift I'd watch for as a clue that mass suicide might really take off soon is a movement against "suicide prevention". I could see articles starting to show up saying that suicide prevention is a harmful paradigm in psychology, that people who feel they want to kill themselves are better off actually doing it rather than living in misery, and trying to stop them should be put into the same category as trying to stop trans people from transitioning. Guilt would be placed on those trying to prevent suicides, "Your friend/loved one is better off dead than alive. You need to let them go. If the pain of losing them is unbearable for you then you could always consider suicide as well." Suicide could come to be seen as a courageous last stand against an unjust world.

This could only go so far, as natural selection would stop such a movement from perpetuating itself all that long. The question is, how much would the death toll be by the time it's done?

[(Anonymous)]

The other thing to keep in mind is that the universe's twisted sense of humour would kick in if suicide/euthanasia was normalized, with the people most likely to survive each year being the ones most against the policy: and so it would, as a matter of course, burn through it's own base of support, as the people who most want to commit suicide would be among the first to go. The death toll could very easily be quite high though, given that it would likely take a while before everyone got off the train.

There are two other things I'd watch for as well at the movement against suicide prevention: the first would be a chance in the laws to permit adults to euthanize their children, since a lot of parents won't be willing to leave their kids without support; and the second one would be for a systematic effort to euthanize those who suffer from dementia. They cannot consent, obviously, but they tolerably often are suffering quite severely, and if suicide/euthanasia are going to go mainstream, I'd expect to see it implemented there as well.