Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 74

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[ari_ormstunga]

The NFL player collapsing has sparked some interesting media coverage. Adam Kinzinger attacked a conservator commentator for implying it could be the vaxx.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/charlie-kirk-branded-human-garbage-over-damar-hamlin-remarks/ar-AA15UKsm?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1433a73b587749f091b7e5093909057c

This article shows a picture of Alex Jones and claims Infowars host says the collapse is not vaxx related; it was a fill-in host and not Alex Jones.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-vaccine-did-not-cause-him-to-collapse-infowars-host-denounces-conspiracy-theory-of-nfl-tragedy/ar-AA15VN3n?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0c67e686a6bc44eabd0f39a4c356bf40

This story must be big enough, and Twitter now free enough, that it can't be ignored, so they are finally acknowledging widespread concerns about the side effects, and smearing them as conspiracy theory by linking them with an image of Alex Jones, who didn't actually comment on the issue.

To me, it seems like the same approach as the Died Suddenly film, legit concerns will be linked with and dismissed as conspiracy theories for right-wing losers, fringe dwellers, and wingnuts. (I say that with utmost respect for all my fellow fringe dwellers and wingnuts).

[(Anonymous)]

Streisand effect incoming...

this is already starting

[jerry_d]

bringing up a game from 50 years ago. This is on yahoo sports.

This is a "nothing here, move along" vibe

https://sports.yahoo.com/remembering-tragic-day-detroit-lions-033107789.html

Re: this is already starting

[(Anonymous)]

50 years ago........................so you see, it's really not a big deal...........happens all the time.............

I found a bit chute website earlier today with a video showing a sportscaster discussing the event (immediately after it happened) with a former
NFL team doctor, who said no game he can recall was cancelled except on 9-11. If he was thinking V he didn't say it but he did seem shocked.

They also both called it a 'routine' hit. The doctor said 'Basketball is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.'

[(Anonymous)]

I find it irrational for the MSM to proclaim as fact that the vax was non-causal for that NFL player collapse. That has simply not been established, and almost certainly will not be investigated because by mandated definition, that can't happen.

One commentator referenced on Zerohedge tweeted "As a physician I believe Damar Hamlin was likely suffering from commotio cordis where a blow to the chest at a precise moment in the electrical cycle stops the heart. Those trying to tie this to vaccine status to project their unscientific beliefs are terrible, horrible people."

My comment is yes, that is possible. But its factuality is not established. I would also ask: How many other football players have been laid low by commotio cordis? Why is this opinion more scientific than of those who suspect the vax? And why are so many soccer players going down, in what is basically a non-contact sport? And myocarditis has been established as a real risk among the vax'd, which is a condition that could well account for Hamlin's cardiac arrest.

I sure hope this story gets some legs and arouses some real, amply justified, suspicions in the general public.

--Lunar Apprentice

[p_coyle]

my (crapcined to the gills) co-workers sure were talking about it today. i didn't get the sense that they have put 2 and 2 together quite yet, but i have a feeling they might be getting there soonish.

i can't remember a day where i had to bite my tongue so often, or one where i was proud of myself for having successfully done so. usually i would have made some sort of snide remark.

i do feel for damar hamlin, his family and his teammates. from all accounts he is an upstanding young man. let's hope he pulls through this somehow.

[ari_ormstunga]

I obviously don't know what happened to the player, but I was talking to a coworker about it today and he described it as a one in a million hit. Maybe it was. The idea that it could be the vaxx never even crossed my coworker's mind as far as I can tell, but he's gotten all of the shots. He got the last booster a couple days after he recovered from Covid, which I thought was pretty odd. To each their own I guess.

[p_coyle]

i'm gonna go with we haven't been told the whole story. and much like the las vegas shooting, we never will.

[(Anonymous)]

I also was wondering about commotio cordis, which is rare but by the law of averages would eventually happen to an NFL player.

I did a few minutes of poking around. What I found said that the players’s union successfully thwarted the NFL’s attempt to force the players to be vaxed. Which doesn’t mean Mr. Hamlin didn’t follow The Science and get vaxed on his own initiative. Terrible, horrible person that I am, I’ll just have to wait and see.

—Princess Cutekitten

[(Anonymous)]

I read about more draconian requirements from the NFL and Buffalo specifically.
I think only a few super-high level i.e. 'star' rebels in the NFL got away with refusing to do it.

They could certainly deflate 'the anti-vaxxers' by showing he'd never been jabbed but
if the entire team was required to comply
how could they?

But I'm no expert.

[scotlyn]

Yes. To proclaim with certainty that a vax is non-causal for the NFL player collapse is almost... (wait, what? could anybody get off with this and not be pursued by the AMA?)... like practicing medicine without a licence?

[p_coyle]

damar hamlin, so far as i can tell, had state of the art care on hand which probably was a good thing in his favor. he is communicating via written notes and shaking his head, as he is still in the icu and has a breathing tube, yet he has his mental faculties, which is a good thing.

i, for one, can't wait to see what he says at his first press conference post recovery.

[(Anonymous)]

I await the videos of the football player writing notes and then feedback from video editing software specialists.

[(Anonymous)]

Adam Kinzinger also believed the 'Ghost of Kiev' parody (complete with a ludicrous photo) created by that Sam Hyde internet prankster fellow to be true and raved praise on GoK's accomplishments. :-)

[ari_ormstunga]

I'm not a big fan of his for various reasons. I knew a few people who were taken in by the Ghost of Kiev, but you'd think an important congresscritter like Adam would know better. Maybe he'll be better at his new job than he was at politics.