ecosophia | Magic Monday

It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says.

The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me. Sylvester Gould, last week's honoree, was an active member of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, one of the more interesting occult orders of the late 19th century. (After many reorganizations, it's still around as the Church of Light aka Brotherhood of Light.) The H.B. of L., as most people called it back in the day, was founded by two British occultists, T.H. Burgoyne and Peter Davidson. The photo is of Burgoyne. It's also the photo of another gentleman, one Captain Norman Astley, who took over the reorganized H.B. of L. in America from Burgoyne, married another H.B. of L. adept -- the remarkable and talented Genevieve Stebbins -- and helped Benjamin Williams aka Elbert Benjamine aka C.C. Zain re-reorganize the H.B. of L. into the Brotherhood of Light aka Church of Light. Yes, Burgoyne and Astley were the same person. It's a complicated story. But Burgoyne and Peter Davidson, whom we'll be talking about next week, were among Sylvester Gould's teachers -- and behind them stands another and a considerably stranger figure.

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Good evening,

And thank you very much for hosting another Magic Monday - this is a real treasure trove. I hope you and your wife had a pleasant start into the week! :-)

How far ahead can one reasonably look with mundane astrology?

My understanding is that one needs a certain background knowledge about the current situation of a country etc to do meaningful predictions - or putting it differently, the further one would look into the future, the less fine-grained the predictions would become.

But could mundane astrology also be used a bit further out in the future to get a very general idea about some „coarse-grained“ stuff which will happen in a country‘s future?

As an example: There are predictions talking about a „war cycle“ in upcoming years, say the second half of this decade. If somebody simply wanted to check the most important mundane astrology „markers“ for war in their country, could this be done five to ten years ahead? Or do you think it would be hard to predict even major trends this far out?

(And yep, I‘m aware that this would be assuming that the capital would stay the same and the country wouldn‘t break up or otherwise rearrange in a major way… ;-) )

Milkyway

PS: I‘ve skimmed through the mundane posts on subscribestar, but haven‘t worked with the material yet. Subscribestar makes printing it a royal pain, so I‘ve decided to wait for your book. Apologies if you‘ve already covered this question somewhere in your posts there and I missed it!

That's a very interesting question, but it's not one I've seen discussed in the traditional literature. The only long term cycles that seem to get much discussion there are the great conjunctions of outer planets. That doesn't mean that "war cycles" and the like aren't potentially valid; it's just that I've been focusing on reviving the traditional approach to mundane charts, and the literature I've seen rarely looks more than a year or two ahead.

Thanks. Weird - I should have thought that determining the general fate of a specific area in broad terms for a few years ahead (e.g. war vs. peace; prosperity vs. major economic trouble, enough food vs. hunger, etc) would have been a priority for people at all times.

Could you point me to some traditional literature which discusses great conjunctions and the like? Would an old copy of Llewellyn George‘s Horoscope Maker and Delineator do?

About using mundane astrology to look further into the future: I guess I just hit the „why don’t you experiment and report back“ field on my MM bingo card then, didn‘t I? ;-) I‘ll wait for your book, and then give it a try. The sad thing is that it‘ll take a few years to get meaningful feedback…

Milkyway

George refers to the great conjunctions only in passing. H.S. Green's Mundane or National Astrology might be a better choice. You're right that there are good reasons for astrologers to try to predict general trends long in advance; the fact that they don't seem to have done so suggests there may be real limits to what can be done along those lines.

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