ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 71

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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This is another stunning report, like the diary from the Accident&Emergency doctor two few weeks ago.

I'm not interested in the blame game, I'm convinced most people in healthcare were and are working in good faith and just don't have time or mental space to reflect on what is going on. I'm more interested in what this trend means for the near future. I haven't heard such stories from other countries but cannot imagine that other western nations are not seeing the same trends. I suspect the UK is just a bit ahead of the curve.

It looks like healthcare in the UK and probabely the rest of the western countries is really collapsing and just one epidemic away from total (catabolic) collapse. How will this look like? I'd like to hear what the commentariat thinks.

My two cents:
Very soon (1-2 years) many people will not be able to get the healthcare they need. Triage will be necessary and I wouldn't be surprised if people in the workforce and youngsters will get priority over the elderly. That will mean a nasty old age for quite a few boomers who will be in despair over the shattering of their expectations in a life-phase where they can't do anything about it any more. In many countries euthanasia will be legalized. Alternative medicine will florish. Perhaps we will get a two tire system (as per JMG's suggestion a while back in a different context) where the top 20% or so of society still has acces via medical docters starting private clinics (so they can manage their own workload) which means that good healthcare is still available if you can pay for it. Life expectancy will drop sharply.

Edited 2022-12-14 13:15 (UTC)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/14/a-ticking-time-bomb-healthcare-under-threat-across-western-europe

Certainly happening in Western Europe as well, although not quite as bad as the UK. UK has a unhealthy population versus the rest of Europe - basically we are much fatter - and our NHS is less able to cope with surges in demand.

In regard to your wider point, yes, agree that healthcare will face the following trends:

1) the wealthy will use private clinics more and more and will be prepared to pay what it takes to get quality care.
2) the national healthcare systems, facing an increasingly sick and ageing population, will have to triage and focus on saving younger/healthier patients
3) countries will increasingly embrace the Canadian approach of legalised killing of the vulnerable.
4) shortages of medicine (already a growing issue) will become bigger over time.
5) people will shift to alternative medicine in the coming decades, partly out of force - they can't access or afford conventional/industrial medicine and partly out of choice as it is seen as better, safer and cheaper.

You might also see medicinal tourism grow as well to those places that have better functioning healthcare systems.

I see industrial healthcare systems facing a slow catabolic collapse over the next few decades due to soaring costs, energy costs, labour shortages, shortages of key medicinal products that rely on global supply chains, soaring demand from a increasingly sick and ageing society.

Have you noticed the media slamming Medicare Advantage plans lately? I found it curious.
But now I think I get the picture.
You've got everyone 65+ on Medicare, the US govt can choose to limit or refuse certain services on the basis that it isn't worth it at a certain age. They are already trying to do this with physical and occupational therapy.
Medicare Advantage plans are an HMO layered on top of Medicare. They take payments from Medicare and turn around and provide their own benefits, which may differ from Medicare.
People on Medicare Advantage plans are not necessarily affected by Medicare not covering something if the Medicare Advantage provider chooses to make the service available through its HMO network anyway. On the other hand, the Medicare Advantage plans may have restrictions as an HMO that regular Medicare does not.

Banging on Medicare Advantage plans now makes sense, if the goal is to ensure that older people are exposed to the restrictions of Medicare itself. And thereby unable to access care that would improve or prolong their lives.

More broadly, I've had a eureka moment lately, where so much of everything is making sense when you view it as a population reduction scheme.

Medicare Advantage plans often have extremely narrow networks and coverage limits of their own that make them questionable deals. Medicare is near going broke, but one of the reasons for that is that they've been very unwilling to refuse to cover price-gouging treatments. I'd suspect that anything they won't cover is something I wouldn't want my poor aged mother submitting to anyway.

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

Yes, I remember a few years back my PT being like "You're progressing so slowly that if you were elderly and on Medicare I'd have to cut you off"... (I'd been bedridden and initially could only walk for 2 minutes at a time. PT got me back to being able to walk for as long as I want.)

Bugs me when I think about how "getting weaker so you do less so you get weaker" ("sarcopenia" I think is the term) is a known cause of "death due to aging."

If I read that list I think the West is possessed by the same demon as the NAZlS

No wonder that they get to fight against the previous enemies of the NAZlS

How did you get "The West is possessed by the same demons as the Nazis were" from that list?

Perhaps there's a more nuanced stance than just "good faith". I'd say most health "profeshunuls", want to cover their behind, do as little as possible and get through the day. Do they want to kill kill kill? Nah. That would involve work.

"I'm convinced most people in healthcare were and are working in good faith".

Most people are/were convinced the jab is safe and effective.

In these times it's wise to constantly review beliefs and assumptions.

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