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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 71

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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More people are in a worse state of health than at any time in the last 33 months, Powls adds. “What we’re seeing now is a patient population that is much, much sicker than they were pre-Covid.”

The result is a drastic increase in serious health conditions, and enormous demand for care. “We’re seeing an increase in patients who are having strokes, an increase in people who are having heart attacks, an increase in people who just can’t cope with their physical illnesses any more.”

But it’s not just physical conditions. “The other big hike we’re seeing is people who are presenting with mental health as their primary reason for their presentation,” says Powls.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/13/like-a-horrific-board-game-33-hours-inside-an-nhs-in-crisis

From the article:

"Farah Kirk, 62, an administration assistant from Orpington, managed to avoid Covid for 33 months and was fully vaccinated. But last month she became infected and ended up battling to stay alive."

Also:

"Getting the Covid vaccine 'saved my life', Kirk says."

OKAY LADY IF YOU SAY SO

DOESN'T SOUND CRAZY AT ALL

My 5x jabbed N95-wearing relative finally came down with cooties for the time time last week. Blames it on other people in an airport who were not wearing masks.

So, what am I saying, apart from "jabs don't work and masks don't work"? (Because she was wearing one herself). I'm saying, there's no point in my saying anything. It's just crazy.

He seems to be fine, and I certainly hope so.

I had a similar scenario play out in my family. Elderly relative who's gotten the jab 5 times and masks up when going to the store or other public places. Still got cooties a few weeks ago and had a near-fatal ADE type reaction, which fortunately she recovered from. She seems to have learned from the experience and told me she probably won't be getting any more booster shots.

I can attest to this. I am a volunteer emt/firefighter in rural Vermont and I work as a mental health counselor. Both of these endeavors have gotten very busy for me since the lockdowns. There seems to be more untimely death and calls for health issues like shortness of breath and chest pains coming from younger (middle aged) people.
The actual pandemic was quiet. Despite being told we would be working full time in the ER and hauling bodies I didn’t go to a single COVID call. When the jabs rolled out however, that is when I saw a marked uptick.

Amazing, it's inexplicable how sick everyone is post-COVID.

“What we’re seeing now is a patient population that is much, much sicker than they were pre-COVID." The result is a drastic increase in serious health conditions, and enormous demand for care. "We’re seeing an increase in patients who are having strokes, an increase in people who are having heart attacks, an increase in people who just can’t cope with their physical illnesses any more.”

This little gem:
"Now, though, medical staff have worked out how to better manage COVID, without the need for invasive options such as ventilators and breathing tubes."

Yeah right, having denied known effective early treatments and killed enough patients early on to get the panic numbers up, now they can give up on "invasive options". So caring.

Another gem about a pharmacist:
"Her team has vaccinated more than 10,000 people against COVID and, like many pharmacies that stepped up during the pandemic, proved a lifeline for patients. At the start of the pandemic, patients here were panic-buying paracetamol and hand sanitisers. Now, they are walking in seeking urgent care."

There's a pharmacist in our social circle who 'smells' of really bad karma to me.

I really object to the suggestion that Wuhan only looked more dangerous than Omicron because doctors and nurses around the globe - starting with Wuhan, moving to Italy, Iran, and the U.S. all at once - set out on a campaign to kill patients on purpose. Some patients DID die because they were put on vents who might have survived without it (and the opposite, I would assume) but this was not because doctors and nurses worldwide were willing and plotting to commit murder to fake a pandemic. By the Delta wave, they'd given up on the idea of shoving everyone with low O2 sat onto a vent - and yet, Delta had a much higher death rate than Omicron.

Again, most of us have extended family who are health care providers of some type and I certainly know that the nurses in my family are not murderers.

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/COVID-in-California-17652099.php

Yes, now, almost two years in, here in CA they are pushing people with positive COVID tests to come in and get treatment - Paxlovid or Remdesivir. When prior, it was go home and die.
Can't have a treatment unless it is raking in the $$$ can we? I mean people aren't wanting the vaxxes anymore so we gotta make money on Paxlovid and Remdesivir.
Sorry. I won't be getting the vax or either of these treatments. I'm starting to get to the place where any pharmaceutical that hasn't been around long enough to be a generic commodity is suspect, especially if it is being pushed on me.

Preferring generics is an excellent rule of thumb for any pharmaceutical. I first heard it from the best doctor I ever had-- endlessly skeptical of big pharma, he read critically tons of studies, not just the executive summaries.

"Always prefer older drugs. The flaws take time to show up."

Alas, when I finally managed to contact him last year for help in getting a medical exemption, [he had retired] he revealed the limits to his critical thinking:

I endorse Covid vaccines, so I'm probably not the best person to speak with.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

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From what I've read it seems like many diseases are occurring at far higher rates than normal such as RSV, monkeypox, scabies, some sort of fungal infection that I forget the name of...

So far as I know, nobody has managed to find really solid evidence that shows a big discrepancy for the vaxxed vs unvaxxed in any of these diseases. Maybe stress is dragging down our immune systems, maybe COVID. Maybe the situation is actually too complex to point out a single cause. I think I remember our host posting an astrological analysis some years ago that mentioned a big problem that was very hard to spot.

Rintrahs explanation seems to fit so far.
Basically he is saying that the vaccine lead to an general impairment of the immune system. So we have more sick people and therefore more virus and bacteria going around which leads to the unvaccinated getting exposed to many more pathogens as well.
He thinks, if I understand him right, that this is a feedback loop, getting worse over time.

But I'd say that's already too complex to ever be show true conclusively.

However I think it's fair to say we f**Ked up big time.

"So far as I know, nobody has managed to find really solid evidence that shows a big discrepancy for the vaxxed vs unvaxxed in any of these diseases."

The reason being that governments all over the world have gone to unprecedented lenghts to hide data that would make that comparison possible.

The increase in illness likely has MANY causes, some probably iatrogenic, some not.

The uptick in cardiovascular incidents, especially among younger people, is almost surely related to the experimental gene therapy.

There are also likely some auto-immune problems that have been created or exacerbated by the experimental gene therapy that are making people sicker. And perhaps there is some sort of "immunity debt" or ADE or immunity-related who-knows-what that's at play, but hard to tease out. Perhaps jab-induced "turbo cancer" is a thing too, although that one's also hard to determine.

But it doesn't stop with potential jab injury.

Economic factors probably play a role. In the US, at least, being out of a job can mean being out of health insurance, and many people who do have insurance may have co-pays, so once people leave a job and/or inflation kicks in and people are living more hand-to-mouth, they may delay getting a problem checked out, skip a screening, not take a drug they need, skimp on their insulin, whatever, and that leads to them winding up in emergency rooms sicker than they would have been without the economic hardship.

Mental health and stress also play a role. A lot of people, especially young people, got cut off from social interactions during the pandemic hysteria, and failed to build or maintain social contacts, and/or were driven crazy by the mass hysteria, and are now suffering an increase in mental health problems. People with OCD and agoraphobia tendencies has their conditions validated and re-enforced during cootie-theater, and now people who might previously has had some "mild issues" now have full-blown clinical disorders. More people are also just isolated and depressed. Poor mental health and stress lead to people either not taking care of themselves, or behaving in bizarre ways that cause more stress, which lead to an increase in physical problems and delayed care.

And that doesn't even get into more people trapped in abusive situations, more child neglect, etc., that are the indirect result of a bad economy and increased isolation, and whatever flows from that.

And things cascade.... Illness affects not only the patient, but their caretakers. For every sick person, there is usually some number of family and friends whose lives are also disrupted, and who may ignore their own health while dealing with the other person's problems, then wind up withe the delayed health care leading to the more/worse problems when finally addressed issue. The more sick people, the more the backlog, the longer people have to wait, and the sicker they are when they're finally seen, the more intervention they need, the more the backlog...it's a downward spiral.

If you WANTED to collapse a health-care system, you would be hard pressed to find a better strategy than the pandemic over-reaction, rushed novel pharmaceuticals pushed on the population with no long term safety data, and a self-inflicted global recession.

The Experts(tm) really outdid themselves on this one.

I'm not vaxxed and neither is my husband or child, but we spent the last two months living with my 5x jabbed mother-in-law and we all got sick more frequently than normal, but she was sicker than the rest of us. It's possible that exposure to shedding is causing negative health outcomes for the unvaxxed.

It could just be "shedding" of the usual viruses at a higher-than-average rate by someone who is effectively immunocompromised, making it more likely for cohabitants with stronger immune systems to be infected.

Not one person I know personally has died of Covid.

But two of my friends committed suicide this fall, after two and a half years of loneliness and fear and uncertainty. They were both in and out of hospital mental health care before they each took the final step. They were 30 and 40 years old.

I am angry. I wish there was a way to translate this anger into a message that would be heard and transform this ugly situation.

Dylan

Transcriber here.

Dylan, Thanks for posting. My condolences about your friends.

I hear you, I really do.

I do know 2 people who died of covid early in the pandemic, but I now realize, they were undoubtedly isolated, vented, and given remdesivir, and also not treated for bacterial pneumonia, which they most likely had developed while left alone, lying day after day in the hospital bed like that. Both, in their early 70s, but in very good health previously, died of organ failure after a few weeks in the hospital. A horrible way to go, and I now know, probably entirely unnecessary.

The others I know who died in the pandemic, it was "with covid" (they were elderly already dying of something else) and/ or it was post-jab, in other words, it was a result of the jab.

There is a way to translate anger, I do know this much. What would be the best way to do that for you, or for anyone else, I cannot say.

For me, it is to stay focused on the people, animals, and things I am grateful for, and also to use my creative imagination.

One thing (of several things) that I have been doing is transcribing short recordings or excerpts from recordings. This is a way to both share and preserve a human voice with a message that, in some way, in this dreadful situation, sheds light.

There are so many, many things that can be done, and including things that are perhaps apparently indirect and small, but also really important, too. Just to take one example of what could be ***thousands*** of examples, what about the pets of people who were injured by the vaxx? Just help with walking a family member, friend or neighbor's dog a day or two a week, that could make a world of difference to some people right now. Many people survived the loneliness of the lockdowns thanks to their pets. For so many people, their pets are their lifeline to mental health.

Animal shelters also need volunteers. Endless opportunities to help, right there.

Endless opportunities, endless. Don't forge the Children's Health Defense Fund, and the like, they are doing good work, they are having some important successes, and they need volunteers.

Prayer, too.

Our host has often spoken of taking negative situations / events as "thrust-blocks." I think this is brilliant.

That's gotta be rough, Dylan. Sorry to hear of your double-loss.
Friends are hard to come by; each one is precious.

Ron M

Transcriber and Ron, thank you for your kind words. Transcriber, my condolences for your losses as well.

It's easy to take one's anger and get worked up into really useless forms of action that either backfire or ignore other people's different experiences or both. I am taking my time to care for those around me in small ways. I will pray for light on the path as to how to act in a larger sense, if that's what I'm called to do.

It really is a saving grace that we have the ability to repay evil with good.

Dylan

This is another stunning report, like the diary from the Accident&Emergency doctor two few weeks ago.

I'm not interested in the blame game, I'm convinced most people in healthcare were and are working in good faith and just don't have time or mental space to reflect on what is going on. I'm more interested in what this trend means for the near future. I haven't heard such stories from other countries but cannot imagine that other western nations are not seeing the same trends. I suspect the UK is just a bit ahead of the curve.

It looks like healthcare in the UK and probabely the rest of the western countries is really collapsing and just one epidemic away from total (catabolic) collapse. How will this look like? I'd like to hear what the commentariat thinks.

My two cents:
Very soon (1-2 years) many people will not be able to get the healthcare they need. Triage will be necessary and I wouldn't be surprised if people in the workforce and youngsters will get priority over the elderly. That will mean a nasty old age for quite a few boomers who will be in despair over the shattering of their expectations in a life-phase where they can't do anything about it any more. In many countries euthanasia will be legalized. Alternative medicine will florish. Perhaps we will get a two tire system (as per JMG's suggestion a while back in a different context) where the top 20% or so of society still has acces via medical docters starting private clinics (so they can manage their own workload) which means that good healthcare is still available if you can pay for it. Life expectancy will drop sharply.

Edited 2022-12-14 13:15 (UTC)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/14/a-ticking-time-bomb-healthcare-under-threat-across-western-europe

Certainly happening in Western Europe as well, although not quite as bad as the UK. UK has a unhealthy population versus the rest of Europe - basically we are much fatter - and our NHS is less able to cope with surges in demand.

In regard to your wider point, yes, agree that healthcare will face the following trends:

1) the wealthy will use private clinics more and more and will be prepared to pay what it takes to get quality care.
2) the national healthcare systems, facing an increasingly sick and ageing population, will have to triage and focus on saving younger/healthier patients
3) countries will increasingly embrace the Canadian approach of legalised killing of the vulnerable.
4) shortages of medicine (already a growing issue) will become bigger over time.
5) people will shift to alternative medicine in the coming decades, partly out of force - they can't access or afford conventional/industrial medicine and partly out of choice as it is seen as better, safer and cheaper.

You might also see medicinal tourism grow as well to those places that have better functioning healthcare systems.

I see industrial healthcare systems facing a slow catabolic collapse over the next few decades due to soaring costs, energy costs, labour shortages, shortages of key medicinal products that rely on global supply chains, soaring demand from a increasingly sick and ageing society.

Have you noticed the media slamming Medicare Advantage plans lately? I found it curious.
But now I think I get the picture.
You've got everyone 65+ on Medicare, the US govt can choose to limit or refuse certain services on the basis that it isn't worth it at a certain age. They are already trying to do this with physical and occupational therapy.
Medicare Advantage plans are an HMO layered on top of Medicare. They take payments from Medicare and turn around and provide their own benefits, which may differ from Medicare.
People on Medicare Advantage plans are not necessarily affected by Medicare not covering something if the Medicare Advantage provider chooses to make the service available through its HMO network anyway. On the other hand, the Medicare Advantage plans may have restrictions as an HMO that regular Medicare does not.

Banging on Medicare Advantage plans now makes sense, if the goal is to ensure that older people are exposed to the restrictions of Medicare itself. And thereby unable to access care that would improve or prolong their lives.

More broadly, I've had a eureka moment lately, where so much of everything is making sense when you view it as a population reduction scheme.

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If I read that list I think the West is possessed by the same demon as the NAZlS

No wonder that they get to fight against the previous enemies of the NAZlS

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Perhaps there's a more nuanced stance than just "good faith". I'd say most health "profeshunuls", want to cover their behind, do as little as possible and get through the day. Do they want to kill kill kill? Nah. That would involve work.

"I'm convinced most people in healthcare were and are working in good faith".

Most people are/were convinced the jab is safe and effective.

In these times it's wise to constantly review beliefs and assumptions.

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