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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 71
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-18 08:20 am (UTC)(link)https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/urgent-warning-the-spike-protein
So let's say, for arguments sake, that this hypothesis of 'COVAIDS' (or whatever you want to call it) is true.
What to do? Try to stay healthy, and try to avoid catching the lab-spawned virus repeatedly?
How to do that? Withdraw from the world until it burns itself out?
Because that's seeming like the only way.
The Ninth Mouse
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-18 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)Covid has spikes, but so do common cold coronaviruses. If their spikes got into our lungs and bloodstreams in large amounts, they'd probably be toxic too, but they don't, so they aren't. Or perhaps we'd all live to be 150 if we never got a common cold, who knows?
If you bunker from the world until covid ceases to exist, as one of my more extremely OCD relatives intends to do, you will be bunkering for the rest of your life, because this virus will never, ever go away. That seems to me to be a bad decision to make when it is evolving to be more tolerable rather than less, but YMMV.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-18 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)https://www.rintrah.nl/why-the-real-excess-mortality-is-worse-than-you-think/
According to the theory, nobody is safe. Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are both, to put it bluntly, basically doomed due to a state shift in human immune ecology that enables repeat covid infections and opens the door to all manner of other infections.
The theory goes that the vaccinated have damaged their immune systems so badly that they've all but guaranteed repeat infections of covid. Each covid infection reduces their ability to fight off the next covid infection one for several months (hence why the vaccinated are now getting a few covid infections each year, which is abnormal). Then, being weakened by covid, they start to catch other things, which weaken them in turn and the cascade is by now well and truly starting to crash.
The vaccinated become highly contagious vectors for everything under the sun, spreading things to the unvaccinated who succumb in turn - because it's not just about individual immune systems, but because the vaccines have now changed the 'terrain' across the population so that the pathogens can now more easily navigate about and multiply.
Fromm the article:
"When you kill the fish in the ocean, what you sometimes see is that they don’t recover when you stop killing them. In their absence population numbers of jellyfish will grow. The remnants of dead jellyfish will then end up feeding bacteria, rather than feeding the plants that fish need to eat. As a consequence you get stuck with a bacteria-jellyfish dominated ocean, in which the fish can’t recover to the previous situation.
The horrifying reality isn’t just that they have enabled this virus to establish an effectively permanent presence in our population. In addition, infectious pressure is high enough to trigger substantial positive feedback: By damaging our immune systems, this virus now transforms our bodies into more compatible hosts, enabling further reinfections. What you have to remember is that these viruses persistently infect bats. The immune damage seen in people after infection would go a long way towards explaining how they accomplish this.
Novel SARS-COV-2 variants show signs of growing interferon resistance, as interferon response is necessary to abort an infection early on. But importantly, after mild infections the plasmacytoid dendritic cells responsible for most of your interferon secretion are depleted for at least seven months. With sufficiently rapid reinfections it thus ends up terraforming your body for all practical purposes, like jellyfish do to the ocean."
The only ways that I can think of to survive this would be to hide or run away.
Yes, that might mean hiding in a totally OCD way, bunkering if not for the rest of one's life, then until the ecological 'terrain' has changed again, which I'm guessing could mean after a mass die off? I agree that this would be an extreme thing to do, and it is arguably cowardly and immoral etc, but if that's what it takes to survive. . .
There might be other ways to change the 'terrain' that could head this off? Perhaps by diluting the vaccinated population among unvaccinated populations? Perhaps a new set of drugs injected into enough of the vaccinated - perhaps prophylactic antivirals as per Geert's suggestion? With the mass drugging approach though, there was an old lady who swallowed a fly. . .
Perhaps the unvaccinated could migrate to join unvaccinated populations and leave the vaccinated to their fate?
Whatever approach were to be taken, it seems like it would need to be extreme because it has a big job to do as it either needs to change the 'terrain' across the whole population, or move salvageable parts of the population to safety - perhaps there are other options?
Anyway, IF the theory is true, then I would expect to see increased disease of all sorts, perhaps indicated by shortages of meds for same. Now, my country is a relatively rich country, and yet it seems that key meds are not available down here in the Southern Hemisphere until June next year!
Losing access to antibiotics means back to the age of pus, which I expect means a higher death toll as well from what we consider mundane infections these days.
Has the terrain changed? Will it start a mass death level lethal cascade? We shall see as time goes on, I guess.
In the meantime, hang onto your scripts, stay healthy, and try not to get covid over and over again?
The Ninth Mouse
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Direct induction of a state change followed by a failure to reestablish the old equilibrium (e.g. killing off nearly all the fish of a particular species) is not a directly comparable situation. The epidemiological equivalent would be engineering a virus that directly killed 90% of the population.
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-19 09:47 am (UTC)(link)It seems to me that there are plenty of instances in nature wherein once something passes a certain threshold then it's all downhill. Not unlike the process that happens to each and every living organism, with the possible exception of some immortals, I suppose.
Will this lab engineered virus be the enough to tip the ecosystem we inhabit into a new state? Maybe. It's a new introduction to the system after all, so nobody really knows what it's going to do to a certainty. But whatever happens it obviously won't all end for all things - the process will go on.
And, of course, there's a lot of space in between the extremes for living as well, until the balance tips us into a new state, as it must do eventually for each and every one of us and the ecosystem that each of us contains.
The bodies aren't stacking up yet though.
I imagine we'll eventually adapt and learn to live with it in time in any case. The bats did. There might be a lot of suffering between now and then though.
Taking a cold-blooded helicopter view of things, perhaps a big change could even be for the best in the long run? It's not as if the current arrangements don't appear to be on a fairly linear course to nowhere. Perhaps this event actually represents a negative feedback, such as you describe, that just sort of happen as if on que to prevent us from reaching an even worse, and possibly extinction level end point?
Just trying to be positive you know. And look, there are worse things than surviving the collapse of civilization. Humans lived for ages without all of this highbrow technology. Think of Hercules. Now there's someone to emulate. Nothing but his own godly intrinsic powers, a club and a lion skin, and he's off on adventures, smiting this and that, having sex with people all over the place, gods here and there, generally having a whale of a time.
Sex, death and the gods. . . turns out the best in things in life are free after all :P
The Ninth Mouse
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-19 02:02 am (UTC)(link)— Christophe
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-19 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)As for your scenario that a disease that's now usually just a cold, if not asymptomatic, will wipe out the species: how come nothing remotely similar happened before, say with Russian flu? Because this kind of virus, going pandemic, was ALWAYS going to mutate in such a way that it could continue to spread. If the vaccines had not been created, after most people still around had had the early strains, the virus would have evolved new strains that evaded antibodies to all the major parts of the original, rather than just the spike. That would have required more mutations and taken longer, but when you have eight billion people, many elderly or otherwise with weak immune systems, it would certainly have happened - just like new strains of flu and common cold coronaviruses keep evolving, so that even though you've had flu and common colds many times, still every so often one comes along that can hit you.
Measles makes people more susceptible to other infections for a year or two afterwards; but not forever, and not so susceptible that they all die, certainly not so susceptible that they somehow cause their neighbors to die. Covid may do the same. Covid vaccination may do the same. The mRNA vaccines certainly cause immune disorders, but since people who have had them aren't dropping dead of PCP pneumonia and Kaposi's sarcoma now, like people with AIDS did pre-ART, I see no reason to assume that they will all do so Real Soon Now.
Oh, and regarding AIDS: I'm old enough to vaguely remember claims that people with AIDS were a threat to those around them, and it was not true. If you want to improve the overall immune health of the population, persuade everyone you can to never get another booster, rather than muttering that "the vaxxed" are already a permanent deadly threat to you and should be segregated or injected with drugs - which will not exactly make anyone listen to you who isn't already a true believer.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-19 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)Sometimes 'state changes' happen in ecosystems/nature too - at least for a time. Each of our own personal ecosystems will go through one of those changes when we pass away. It's not the total end of the world though.
There are plenty of examples of a new pathogen being introduced into a population and wiping it out in large numbers - it doesn't have to be an extinction level event to be bad. These things happen, sometimes they are very bad for a time, and then the population adapts. But sometimes things do indeed seem to get bad. . .
I am old enough to remember AIDS kicking off as well. Grim Reaper advertisements etc. I also recall fears of AIDS becoming airborne back then. Now, I wonder what could have happened if that had occurred. . .
Make no mistake though, I am not pursuing an agenda to persuade everyone to do anything. You are all grown-ups and can do whatever you like. Hang back and have a quiet life if you like, or try to make everyone listen to you and become true believers in whatever, or anything in between, it makes no difference to me. I'd rather you say something though, because it's more interesting that way.
Other people can put their shoulder to the wheel of history if they like, but if one does, my advice is to be careful not to get accidentally caught up and dragged underneath and have your mangled corpse dragged down through the ages. The wheel doesn't care about the screaming, or all that much about what one finds persuasive either probably, it'll just keep on rolling. It might be wiser to stay out of its way altogether if one can.
In that kind of spirit, I'm just spit-balling ideas.
Empiricism and reason man. We shall see what happens and learn from it. Reality/nature isn't something that tries to convince everyone of this or that either - it just sort of happens and one either works it out and adapts to it, or one doesn't.
Sometimes reality/nature throws up hard situations and forces us to make difficult choices. I am merely speculating about one such potential situation, which on the face of things might be unfolding, but it is not certain that it is or isn't. I have no interest in trying to create a movement about it. I didn't create that situation either - my opprobrium in this space is more or less reserved for those who appear, on balance of probabilities, to have done just that.
If this situation is actually happening, then it probably wouldn't be possible to stop it. One way or another though something would have to happen to restore balance. Left to its own devices, I suspect that means mass death.
The Ninth Mouse
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(Anonymous) 2022-12-18 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)