Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 70

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.   

Comments

Re: Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

yes I am putting 14xxxx where x is any digit

i consider only the first two digits relvant to my method because they are rhe only ones that were predictably increasing cosequtively

[(Anonymous)]

Old old friend. Incredibly close? No. But a friend. Coffee yesterday.
Talk about ageing. Fully grey now since last meeting beginning of covid. Even heavier.
Never mind the near-blindness over the summer in one eye, surgically repaired.
Phone conversation about his/her covid since vax: 'It could have been worse.'
At the cafe,
Interrupted by person sitting nearby who interjected self in conversation.
One of those very minor cultural figures who know everything about a couple of subjects.
My friend I believe thought it was a 'connection' showing him/her still to be a vital cultural creator.
So he/she and I never had a true conversation.
My friend due today for fifth (I think) shot.
Did I say anything? No.
Walking to car conversation became 'political' and he/she puffed up into a ball of fury.
I fizzled the fury away with a question that could only be answered by admitting something
about the government he/she so admires.
Our social encounter just felt stale and useless.I felt sick until I had a long nap today.
Am I an accomplice? No, I don't think so.
If the opportunity had developed organically I would have said, 'Why no by golly I'm not foxxed-up, here's why...'
Having been an evangelical Christian at one time
I realize what we are discussing are articles of faith.
Do I, out of the blue - unbidden, challenge one of his/her articles of faith?
I felt like I was dealing with a sickening blur. Not him/her so much as some reality.

Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics

[(Anonymous)]

'It could have been so much worse' is indeed a goalpost about severity not immunity.
So basically the Fox is airbags that mitigate collision damage.
But don't airbags just inflate sometimes and cause serious damage?
There must be other analogies of 'protective devices' that backfire like the Fox does.

Re: Vaccine Injuries

[tunesmyth]

Yes he has been to a specialist. I don't actually know whether he has seriously considered whether his condition might be vaccine caused or not; if so, he has not talked to me about it. I have not brought it up directly with him yet either. There are issues of pride involved. I asked him not to get boosters and presented him with evidence that the vaccines were doing more harm than good, but he believes I'm a right wing kook (I may be a kook but not a right wing one) and completely disregarded everything I shared. When it comes to presenting him with a proposed vaccine injury treatment protocol, I'm planning on couching it in terms of harmless superstitions that people do anyway "just in case", like knocking wood and avoiding the undersides of ladders-- and asking him to do the same here. "Just in case."

Thanks for the video links, I'll check them out soon.

Re: Vaccine Injuries

[(Anonymous)]

Check out the FLCCC.NET site, they have vaccine injured protocol. Dr Pierre Kory has an online clinic that is very good (not cheap though) at www.drpierrekory.com, Dr Kory is one of the heros in this story. I worked with his clinic (for covid) and it is very good. They have pharmacy connections to get the medications. So sad to hear - best of luck!!!!

Bob

[(Anonymous)]

How are they going to build these smart cities? We're already seeing semiconductor shortages. And we're going to need those semiconductors for Zuckerberg's Metaverse, hahahahahaha.

Re: Vaccine Injuries

[hearthspirit]

I believe it is effective for both due to the law of similars under the herbal system.

Re: Accidental help to the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

True, but the fireworks company continues making fireworks.

Fireworks cure the flu right? :-o

[(Anonymous)]

My house has been hit with the the virus. Muddling through. Pine needle tea arrives tomorrow. My 4 year old is sleeping a lot. Should I be concerned? Hesitant to reach out to the pediatrician as their website is covered with CDC safe and effective talking points. They have already tried to push it once and I’m sure we will be under suspicion for our refusal. It really sucks not being able to trust your pediatrician.

Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript

[temporaryreality]

Any inquiring party who wants to avoid this as a pat answer given by the inquired-of ought to start out asking, "do you think your job requires average or above average intelligence, education or training, attention, and memory? Does your position require analytical skills and an ability to recall complex information and details?" And maybe, "What personal characteristics do you have that qualified you for the position you've been holding?"

Then, of course such a person holding such an Important Position (TM) would like to show they are indeed qualified to hold it...

Then, when they don't recall a darned thing, it's time to suggest that they indeed unfit.

Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics

[temporaryreality]

That your mom suggested that the flu vaccine was somehow related to the degree in which she suffered from symptoms of influenza indicates that the propaganda worked 100% to equate vaccines with "makes symptoms milder" and no longer with "prevention of infection."

I'm not sure what the repercussions of this will be; still mulling it over.

[(Anonymous)]

Liam, Thanks for this.

My mother passed before about a year and half before covid. She had a deathbed vision of her neighborhood, an old garden commuter suburb near a major university, shall we say. She saw that after her passing it would be turned into an electronically surveilled fortress, for lack of a better word. At the time, that seemed to me really way out. Now, not at all.

Self-described Psychic Medium

[(Anonymous)]

I can totally relate to this, especially "stale and useless" and "Not him/her so much as some reality."

[hippieviking]

Something rather nasty just made its way through our house with very different effects on everybody. My 4 year old was first, she is not one to sit still but she essentially did not move from the couch for two days, often looking completely listless. My 5 year old handled it better but more slowly, she slept A LOT for like 5 days.

I can't give you any medical advice, but for me? I don't bother with the doctor anymore. If it is something that could justify a trip to the emergency room (read risk of impending death/ loss of a limb etc) then I will go to the ER. Other than that, it's home remedies or personal medical treatment. I don't say that flippantly either, it's disconcerting when your kid is literally completely listless staring off into the middle distance off and on all day but I still wouldn't bother with a doctor. Not just in the "on principle" way but also I have come to realize that there is nothing that I am going to get out of a doctor that I can't do for myself short of some severe acute issues. YMMV, best of luck and I hope your kid is better soon.

HV

Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics

[(Anonymous)]

I really like that first Wheal quote. Thanks

Re: Can't remember hating being right before

[revert2mean]

Public surgery in public hospitals, so funded by Medicare, free to the consumer. People queue in a waiting list. So in this case less surgery really means less surgery.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry to hear that looking for a health professional has become such a subject of caution and doubt.

I wouldn't worry, would keep an eye on fever and having something for it in hand in case it rises above normal levels and start looking for a doctor you can trust, it is always handy to have one. Perhaps someone close or just known to you might have recommendations of modern or traditional doctors for future reference?

The rejection by health professionals towards the unvaccinated I find appalling and a serious marker of deterioration on the practice of medicine...

If it comes to that, I would just lie to the doctor about vax status to help him out of that flinching habit, since vax status doesn't seem to help much towards the diagnosis or treatment of covid; it seems that it actually goes against it so his job would be easier! Remember that covid isn't as serious of an illness as people make it to be and that it isn't either something that shouldn't be handled with some care, but rather somewhere in the middle.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, but I don't buy the arguments that center around equipment shortages or lousy technology or lack of fossil fuels. These problems are just temporary glitches. The people pushing the Smart City have access to all the various resources and brainpower on this planet.

They will find a way around these types of barriers.

Why is Tesla so valuable an asset? It cannot be about their cars. The kindest thing that can be said about them is that they are a work in progress. No, it is all about their research into batteries. That is going to be the power source of the future (remember we are already in the Matrix). They won't be made of lithium because there isn't enough of that element in the world. That's just a stepping stone to something else. They are learning all the time - even if it is not always apparent to us little people.

The Smart City will be stopped only if we the people put a stop to it.

Liam in Toronto

[p_coyle]

i put this one on my wall at work. so far, nobody has asked about it. once someone does, i will be happy to introduce them to emily oster...

Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript

[tritumi]

Clear evidence of cognitive decline. Another vax victim.

[(Anonymous)]

Since the start of the pandemic, I had been the skeptic in my family. Many acrimonious debates at the outset with extended family, until I reached the point where I decided to give up on “saving” everyone and decided to focus on protecting only myself and my immediate family (I currently live with my elderly parents).

I didn’t give my parents too much guff when they got their first two shots in early 2021, since things were still in flux.

And thanks to the Gods, despite their NPC-like devotion to the MSM and nightly news, they are somewhat sloth-like when it comes to new technologies so neither got their booster.

They both got Covid early in 2022 and sailed through it.

The other day my father - who suffers from heart issues predating Covid - saw his cardiologist. At the end of the meeting the doctor asked him if wanted his yearly flu shot, which he acceded to. Then the doctor asked if he wanted the Covid booster.

I had been doing my best to break through my fathers seemingly bovine constitutional resistance to “alternative” beliefs regarding the Covid vaccines the past year, showing him videos and articles up to the point he could tolerate and I believe it made a difference.

Because he told the doctor “well, my son is something of an anti-vaxxer, so I think I’ll pass”. Apparently the doctor then showed him some brief videos(??) encouraging the vaccine, but my father — bless his heart - still refused. He told me the “doctor” then rolled his eyes at him.

Then today I read this:

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/why-doctors-push-covid-19-vaccination

[(Anonymous)]

Best of luck. Our whole family had it a while back, first my son had it but no one else caught it, then my daughter caught it and gave it to the rest of us (except my son, who of course had plenty of energy and high spirits while we were laid out).

My son had a high fever when he had it. The doctor didn't even think it was covid but some other virus, but his test ended up being positive. The doctor told us to give him tylenol and advil to break the fever and help with body aches. He didn't mention anything more severe. That stuff helped, once his fever broke it never came back, and beyond that we just tried to give him plenty of fluids and rest.

Daughter and baby just rested a fair bit and were stuffy when they had it, but overall it was pretty mild for them. I had to spend half a day laying around and napping but other than that just worked/parented through it, just lots of low level fatigue, congestion, aches but I also took tylenol and advil for it and had a regular regimen of vitamins B, C, D and zinc even before catching it. I also had the runs for like a day and a half, which a couple people mentioned as a weird symptom.

My wife had it the worst. Laid out, achey and feverish for close to a week. Same regimen of tylenol and/or advil as needed for her, vitamins, bone stock, plus I made her lots of herbal tea--horsetail for any time you are sick, fenugreek for sore throat, boldo is another any time you are sick tea (look in Mexican section of your grocery store maybe), lemon, coltsfoot as an expectorant, mullein for lungs.

Pine tea is rich in vitamin C if no one has pointed that out yet, and it seems like it would be a somewhat antisepticky herb. Makes sense as a good choice. Horsetail is really my go to for when we are sick, I've had good results with it many times and we have a huge jar of it.

Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response

[(Anonymous)]

That alternative explanation is far more compelling and coherent!

Every popular technology ends up significantly altering our cultural traditions in myriad ways. Try imagining what politics, healthcare, education, or family life would look like without fiat currency or regulated lines of credit. Or without electricity or the printing press.

What we nostalgically call "traditional democratic governance" was only made possible through the introduction of printing presses and fiat currencies, and it has already undergone countless mutations since they were introduced. Newspapers, radios, and televisions were every bit as distorting of that elusive ideal as the internet has been so far.

What's interesting about the internet, as well as credit default swaps, electronic voting, and cryptocurrencies, is that they all appear to have the magical ability to utterly gut any moral integrity remaining in our rapidly declining civilization. Is that because they were all designed with the hope of stripping value out of our decaying culture? Were radio or television designed with any different intent? Has capitalism not always been about skimming redundant value off the top?

Perhaps it's not so much the nature of our inventions that has changed, as it is the scarcity of value, monetary or moral, that remains for the pillaging. Capitalism and contraction just don't work very well together in the end. Unless, of course, the goal is actually to create neverending crises and panics — they're pretty good at that! And Ms. Harrington is dutifully contributing towards that dubious goal.

— Christophe

Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics

[(Anonymous)]

Seems like secular faith to me. I wouldnt say my mom is naive either, she left a former Soviet state and is generally skeptical of being told what to do.

Even a few years ago she discovered that statins were not what they seemed and pulled my dad off them. Generally they avoid all drugs when they can. But vaccines continue to squeak through.

The benefits are too vague I worry compared to a drug with semi instant benefit or harm.

Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics

[(Anonymous)]

Flu in particular. They wont get more covid ones theyve said due to the fact that it targets the part of the virus that changes most frequently.

After hearing this from my mom its been my go to when discussing in my circles. That the vaccines target variants so far gone, then the virus just evolves around whatever theoretical protection might be possible.

Like always putting your spare key under your doormat.