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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2022-10-25 11:44 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 64

smudge goes thereAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.   

Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-27 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
I've been commenting hear periodically over the past few months. As I sit in a relatively nice hotel on my way to a work function in the pharma industry I've been reflecting on just how much of a backlash this whole debacle may invite to shatter people's confidence in what is increasingly becoming clear as scams upon scams.

Through the midwestern doc, I came across this article about Gardasil, which I at one point or another was involved in commercially.
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/the-troubling-truth-behind-hpv-vaccines-prepare-to-be-outraged/#gsc.tab=0This

This article is very clear and well sourced, though I haven't sifted through them all, it seems credible.

I'm someone who, when I describe it, has been on rails through my young adult life. Unsure of what to do in school, so I'll just do science, do this extra degree, get a well paying job in the industry and will be good. I can't say it didn't work out to a degree, but nothing is ever free and it doesn't make much difference if I didn't understand it at the time.

Through this process I clearly fostered a dogmatic outlook on every product or message that crossed my mind. Though really it's very clear that the data or results never mattered, it was just lessons in how to make these things look good.

This past year has been a very sobering experience. I would like to say the colleagues, physicians, etc I know have also caught on, but not far beyond prices, which is a problem everywhere there is "need".

Now in hindsight it's all so laughably clear. Creating or fabricating problems to create a need that is then immediately filled with expensive and dangerous solutions.

When trying to hint at these deceits and complicity, there is a type of quiet nodding along but stray to far and a harsh backlash will be imminent. Typically the best approach I find is to be humorous with delivering little tidbits about how the latest foxes could never possibly work for a myriad of reasons.

I'm not sure how to channel this frustration but thought it would be good to share, currently I am planning to extricate myself but I've winded myself into quite the knot so it will take a long time without some unseen twist of fate. Are there any others in a similar situation who would have some advice or share their own successes?

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-27 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Pray.

I am not kidding.

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't disagree but there is a practical element as to not blow up my life entirely.

Family, responsibilities, debts, etc., but I do appreciate and value the clarity gained from sitting quietly to start to build that path forward.

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-27 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd heard about the adjuvant thing elsewhere and yeah...if you give the adjuvant to the "placebo" arm you obviously won't catch adverse reactions to the adjuvant. That's just an obviously bad trial, and not only that...why would you do that unless you had an inkling the adjuvant might cause adverse reactions? Why not just use saline as is standard in plaebo-controlled studies?

It's like when Pfizer gave up the Indian market rather than agree to an India-run clinical trial of their covid vaccine. Why would you give up such a huge market unless you had very strong concerns about what the new trial might show?

Yeah sorry, got off your topic there. Hmm can you expand on this part?

>This past year has been a very sobering experience. I would like to say the colleagues, physicians, etc I know have also caught on, but not far beyond prices....

>When trying to hint at these deceits and complicity, there is a type of quiet nodding along but stray to far and a harsh backlash will be imminent.

Good luck extricating yourself.

-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I went to look at the pivotal trial for a vaccine it just says against placebo. So there is a pretty intentional obfuscation happening as anyone reading that would likely assume saline.

Extrication needs to be slow, thoughtful, and through deliberate action. Instant gratification is so heavily reinforced so I need to remind myself to be patient and do what I can now to be ready for when an opportunity sought or unsought appears.
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Re: Pandora's box

[personal profile] scotlyn 2022-10-27 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for sharing that perspective. I am absolutely sure that it is a tightrope. And that there are many, many built in incentives to avert your eyes if they are likely to see too clearly.

The famous Upton Sinclair quote, after all, describes your position quite well:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”

All I will say is, remember that the person you most need to be at peace with at the end of every single day, is yourself.

Be well, stay free!

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-27 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this. I deeply appreciate the fact you are now placing before yourself a moral and ethical problem. One that is, as your presence on this site suggests, is also spiritual in dimension.

Like, all if us, I am sure, I have had a number of passages through difficult decisions where elemental rightness or wrongness also involved questions of harm of one sort or another to a greater or lesser degree to self or others.

Some would say we face these every day. And for that reason the suggestion of prayer is truly apt.

In my experience, when in situations that are wrong and harmful and which I can neither fix nor influence others to correct, I do not continue to involve myself with those who I sense are wrong or doing harm. I have left a career and have put resignations on the table. I may well do so again, it seems.

Pragmatically, your actions may cause harm to you and yours, either by the consequences of leaving, or the stress of staying. No one can tell you what to do as none here knows you or your situation.

I wish you well as you have entered this passage. Please discuss deeply if possible with those closest to you and whose life wisdom and experience you respect.

In closing I can offer a little mantra of mine. Having been in fairly close proximity to powerful people, sharks, where blood was in the water and I had choices to make, this test. "There is nothing he could want of me that I would want him to want of me."

Our best to you.

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for sharing your mantra with me and being sympathetic to the situation.

These are topics which can plain not be raised in my workplace, personally it's much easier from knowing the language and there is just so much evidence and information thrown about that it is possible to have a position without being ostracized.

My situation is my own as you've noted and with the path I've now found myself on will take a bit of time to unravel. Hopefully in the meantime I can provide a bit of perspective to how those in these spaces react to the events of the day.

Unfortunately it's often quite bleak, bread and circus is very powerful. I see constant buying of dreams that are never what they seem, then on to the next one, then the next one.

"In my experience, when in situations that are wrong and harmful and which I can neither fix nor influence others to correct, I do not continue to involve myself with those who I sense are wrong or doing harm. I have left a career and have put resignations on the table. I may well do so again, it seems."

I have a clear exit I can see, but need to make sure I understand if I can speed it up and also weigh the consequences to me and my family. Trying to be patient and prepare myself so that when opportunities come, or as I seek them out, I feel ready and confident to take them.

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-27 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Once you'll pull on a thread, you don't know what could unravel. I'm watching more and more people step away from everything and focus on providing something of value to others that they make themselves. The energy has shifted. I've been calling it the great reshuffle.

Start journaling every day. Just write whatever comes to mind. Do it by hand and keep it private. Morning pages by Julie Cameron is the structure I've followed and its allowed me to stop BS'ing myself. Once that was clear, then I did the Octagon Society work JMG posted here to work through my anger at everything. I didn't want to make decisions based on anger.

Finally in the last two months I'm starting to make some new friends and I feel creative again. I still have anxiety about things in the world but I have peace and joy too now. This group here has been so helpful too just knowing I'm not the only way who saw what was happening in the beginning. Still shocked by how many just fell in line.

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for your perspective, I've found it helpful to journal daily and have noticed positive changes.

The pulling on a thread leading to an unravelling is so true. At a certain point there is just hunting information for the sake of it, which can be overwhelming and counterproductive. I keep reminding myself that this is really just the beginning and often we see change in hindsight.

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
I did The Artists Way workbook twice and carried on with the morning pages after completing the workbooks. But that seems so long ago now.
I sort of wish I hadn't tossed everything during a big freelance-Feng Shui cleanup.

I do remember the morning pages being helpful. This is certainly a consideration. Thank you. I didn't lose my creativity but I haven't made any
new friends yet and finally snapped the cord on two 'friends.'
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Re: Pandora's box

[personal profile] tritumi 2022-10-28 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
I see my reply came through eventually, so this was redundant.
Edited 2022-10-28 00:23 (UTC)

Re: Pandora's box

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
Hello, another (probably older) biologist here. Wanted to write to say I am thinking of you and I wish you all the courage and discernment you need.

Journalling and prayer have already been mentioned.

Also, logs. Dated formal writing. You possibly had to do reflective research related writing, critical incident analysis and so on in your graduate degree(s) and may have used those logs as evidence for development assessments for teaching practice or whatever. Those are a very useful tool and may help you refine your thinking as you work forward. I would recommend pen and paper. Writing clearly helps with thinking clearly. It may be that it helps you to see how to wriggle to loosen the knot a little.

Also, are you practicing anything like our host's recommended sphere of protection https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/tag/sphere+of+protection and meditation practices https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/tag/discursive+meditation? Two great tools there for keeping steady, and gradually increasing your power to act.