ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 64

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I have often pondered why it seemed that the Covid product placement marketing messages seemed to hit their target so much more effectively with "lefty" oriented people than with "righty" oriented people (although in my own family, it went exactly the opposite way)... but I often think it has something to do with what JMG calls (paraphrase) "the fuzzy good feelings" that the left associates with the word "progress" together with its "we are all in this together" orientation. (As opposed to the "fuzzy good feelings" the right associates with "tradition" and "personal responsibility" orientation). In this case, a new, and experimental technology, was able to plug some fuzzy associations around "progress" - which always arises from heroic experimentation, amirite? - straight into a carefully cultivated fuzzy warm sense of "we are all in this together", and, well, we have our product expertly placed straight into deep layers of identity and meaning. For myself, while I have always been inclined towards the "we are all in this together" orientation, which has often attracted me to politics of the left, the idea of "progress" and especially of "technological progress" never really gelled for me. Also, I personally found it impossible to be inconsistent with my "right to choose" values, which in a broader sense really do gel extraordinarily well with the rightward "personal responsibility" angle. I mean to choose IS to undertake personal responsibility. And to refuse to choose, or to outsource your choice IS to refuse to undertake personal responsibility.

And, so, some of that marketing and product placement never "hooked" with me, and now I find myself in different company, without ever having experienced much alteration of my own values and orientations at all. Strangely, my rightward leaning family, who went all out to be foxed, and insist on only foxed visitors (for a time), and my leftward leaning self, who was simply never convinced that getting foxed with an experimental product held out any benefits, are beginning to have some tentative, bridge crossing meetings... and, strangely, the "bridge" may be most strengthened by our mutual interest in and embrace of spirituality, which is interesting, and welcome.

And I realise I have dodged Temporary Reality's actual question, although I suspect she and others recognise me as a long term commenter from the ArchDruid report days, which blog I was so thrilled to discover in around 2012 or 2013 that I spent around 6 weeks going back and reading every single post from the start. And, so, here I am, still...

I couldn't say, it feels to me like a confluence of so many factors. The quick shift to be careful because Trump is spearheading this development to now it is okay that Biden is elected was pretty stark.

As I think we are all aware of the positions and realities of those really entrenched in their left/right views tend to be inconsistent and not make much sense. Challenges to them can result in a backlash instead of discussion which to me is a hallmark of, well you don't really know or understand your position enough to say "I don't know", but feel confident through opinions provided to you. It's all complicated and difficult to predict.

It reminds me of a chapter in Moby Dick about loose fish and fast fish, where people's minds are compared to loose fish ready to be caught.

From your comment I feel that we are in a similar murky space, we are all in the same boat at the end of the day, but that does not mean we sacrifice our spirit, will, and choice which we also have a degree of responsibility. The areas I struggle most with the "right" is in this too big too fail system we create so many issues, so many are suffering and if this manifests in strange identities, a checking out, avoidable health issues, etc it can be a bit heartless and as a result galvanizing for different sides.

Trans topics come to mind for the time being, where there are definitely areas that are out of line in my opinion (sports, children, medical (progress) interventions), but who are we to deny people the right to live how they choose to live? We are all products of our time and often I see areas elevated as the ultimate evil, when really if we had no trans controversy, it would be something else animating people. The underlying issues for me lie in the power gained by finance capital to steer everything with no consequences when they mess up, it spurs this cancerous growth in all aspects it touches in the pursuit of short term gains.

2012! Wow, I think I skew a bit younger here at 30, I wonder what different choices I would have made had I had these type of influences earlier. Better late than never :) I'm glad this community is so strong to have such long term members

Hello fellow traveller in the murky spaces... I think we are better off knowing that visibility in those spaces is generally poor, and somehow we are all muddling through as best we can. That way, while we rightly work hard at cultivating our own truths as honestly as we can, we can hold our truths lightly, as personal guides, without insisting they must be capable of illuminating everyone's murk, whereever in the murk they are situated.

Many blessings on your murkonautic adventures!

I wonder about the progress aspect. It makes intuitive sense, and yet, we have supercuts of top lefties saying "I would drop dead before I take Trumps vaccine". Then, the second he's out, they swap places in a full 180. I really think if Trump had 'won', we would be living in the upside down version of this reality. The left would be fighting the vaxes, with shades of WMD marches, and the right would be chugging them down with a bit of "anti-china, bioweapon conspiracy fear" flavor. Who knows though.

Murmuration

Lol! Well, see it's a marketing thing...

If Trump had won, and the pharmaceutical marketing teams still wanted to place their product effectively with the people in the ascendancy, they would have worked harder on the "law and order" fuzzy good of keeping viruses in their place, the "right to defend borders" fuzzy good of keeping those "illegal viruses" outside of our personal body-borders, and the "personal responsibility" fuzzy good of facing the fearful virus with courage and determination. Possibly even invoking the "fuzzy good" of calling the fox a "magic bullet". ;) That would have gone a long way to placing this particular product more successfully on the rightward end.

However, right now, the "longer ride" that the whole Tech scene wants - with digitally precise protein fabrication replacing livestock, digitally precise - and atmospherically "clean" - transport, the incorporation of digital tech into medicine, and pretty much every other current business plan, has hooked itself deeply into the "fuzzy good" of progress, and even though, to the likes of me, every bit of it sounds dystopian, if you thrill to the idea that humans can progress and become BETTER, as the key to general improvement of everything, then the tech version of progress can seamlessly key into your "fuzzy goods" in a way that it simply cannot do with people who hew to any kind of tradition, whether it is family tradition, religious tradition, or luddite larpers like me who simply take joy in using a scythe rather than a strimmer... :)

Believe me, I am seeing it gel before my eyes, and I am seeing lefties fall, again and again, for scapegoats presented to them, quintessentially, as "person who stands in the way of progress" (whatever that actually means).

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