ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 64

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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If someone is hospitalized, I don't know that you can just "check them out" if you don't have power-of-attorney to do so. Hospitals also have social workers which intervene and start tracking and reporting conversations. They can report you for elder abuse or negligence, or just make criminal charges against you.

You could probably transfer them to another hospital, but how do you know the care would be better? And you would have to pay a couple of thousand for an ambulance.

I also wonder if there is a difference if a person is a Medicaid paid patient vs. private insurance? People do get different treatment based on how they paying.

>If someone is hospitalized, I don't know that you can just "check them out" if you don't have power-of-attorney to do so.

We're talking about cases where the patient themselves has expressed a wish to leave. The loved one would just be acting as advocate here (following the standard advice that you should always do so if a loved one is in the hospital...why I was wondering what prevented that from working here).

Then if the patient is decreed incompetent, normally the right to decide for them goes to the next of kin, even without a pre-established POA. (Heck when my grandpa was too sick to communicate and they wanted to decide what to do next, they *tracked down my dad in another state* and that's how he saw his father again after 40 years unable to locate him!) It's why I'm wondering how that was gotten around here. Hospitals can't randomly declare a well family member incompetent...

>They can report you for elder abuse or negligence, or just make criminal charges against you.

Yes, I have wondered if that was one of the threats made or concerns family members had. Might be one thing to adjust the laws on, if we knew they had been abused here.

Basically I read these transcripts, thought "What could people plan to do to *try* to avoid this, just in case they/a loved one does end up hospitalized?" and then realized I didn't have enough details to make such a plan.

What with the new CDC guidance on the baby shots, I wonder what now happens to NICU babies who stay there long enough. Many NICU babies are eventually given flu shots, and they're pretty much all given HepB shots ASAP as far as I know. Nobody wants their baby to need the NICU but sometimes you can't avoid it... (I know someone who ended up with a NICU baby because she was out for a walk and some kids she walked past threw a ball at her stomach. Placental abruption, preemie in the NICU.)

These transcripts, and that thought, are making me think of Heather Heying's recent https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/psamamabears ...but you have to be strategic about it or (I'd guess) you just get labeled crazy and trespassed...

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