Still here also. And you still haven't, to me, made any sense out of your comparison of the two groups. I have no way of knowing which of my narrative-believing relatives (some of whom I know aren't quite as narrative-believing as before) would agree with that censorship if they knew about it. I didn't know about it myself until I just read it right now (I mean, that specific example). Why should people not defend their families against such a poor comparison?

-JH