Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[ecosophia]

That assumes that (a) we're getting accurate figures concerning what percentage of Covid cases are unvaxxed, and (b) that cases of ADE are being identified as Covid at all. I'm far from sure we can count on these (See Tunesmyth's post below for evidence that the latter may not be happening).

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good point.

At this point as possible contributing factors to vaccine harm we have:

--Acute and delayed adverse reactions to the shots (spike protein toxicity).

--Suppression of the innate immune system leading to increased severity of both covid and other infections (i.e. tolerance).

--Immune training to produce only one type of antibody with subsequent failure to adapt to new variants (OAS).

--Non-neutralizing antibodies directly increasing viral infectiousness as a result of waning immunity or viral mutation (ADE).

The trouble with using ADE as a catch-all is that it has a high likelihood of being technically wrong (or at least unprovable) and so it will be called out as false by the narrative managers.

We need a more general term for the phenomenon of vaccine-associated harm/death.

Mark L

[inavalon]

"We need a more general term for the phenomenon of vaccine-associated harm/death."

I have seen VEI (vaccine enchanced illness) being used for this.

[(Anonymous)]

Mark L I believe this is what Robert Malone has been referring to as VEI or VED, vaccine enhanced infection or vaccine enhanced disease. he has specifically stated there are other mechanisms than ADE, per se.

[open_space]

Oh this is fun.

How about immune and mental weirding, you know the same thing we are doing to the weather systems but in the microcosm instead of the outside world. Somehow this seems oddly appropriate for our age. Thing just stop making sense and there is a whole disconnect form everything and they just get weird.

Oh I got it, I think we should call it arreptia from the Latin arreptitius which means seized, possessed, raving mad and delirious. We can have two classes, both immunological arreptia and mental arreptia. If someone is completely taken over it would be panarreptia. If it ends up being caused by demons it could be panarreptia demoniaca

[methylethyl]

Pandemonium = demons all over the place.

There's got to be a way to make it all one word: pandemonarreptia?

[open_space]

I like it. If I were to be an occult doctor I would start the early draft to be publish on an alternative medicine journal. It would be titled:

21st Century Pandemonium: a comparative study of panarreptia, mass psychosis and self inflicted illness in the age of decline. A modern approach to sin and its repercussions on human health and well-being

[temporaryreality]

Oh my, I just realized that the beginning of the mainstream switch to "we need to discuss death WITH with covid as being different from death FROM covid" will simply further the vaccination campaign as they will then say "death WITH vaccine is NOT death FROM vaccine." It'll be like 4-layers of obfuscation at that point. :(

[temporaryreality]

I mean, I know they're already saying that, but it'll be set by precedent at that point.

[ahriman]

With regards to data quality: US data (I know, repeating myself) is poor. It helps if you get a better source, like English data. This is especially important if you want to get a signal as soon as possible.

With regards to ADE: It might take time to appear - if at all. Either from a mutation that is still to appear, from another coronavirus like OC43 - but which is still out-of-season or out-competed. Or even another type of virus.

At the end there is a tension here between short term analysis (and vaccines seem to be useful in the short term) and long term consequences. It simply might take time for some theory to be proven right.

[michaeliangray]

This is the big issue we will have. I doubt we will ever get accurate figures this side of the decade.

It is too much of a data rat-king nowadays to make heads or tails (heh!) of it all. I suspect it is part by design, part by incompetence.