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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2021-09-14 11:38 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

support groupThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

(Anonymous) 2021-09-14 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't have a lot to say today, but I thought I'd share a little something from my inbox this week.

I recently received an alumni email communication from a class representative at my (woke, liberal, elite) alma mater, which, as usual, contained the normal pleasantries and platitudes expected from such things.

But this struck me:
"One thing I feel hopeful about? That we’re starting a new decade in this moment of the “Great Reset”. It’s an opportunity to think about transforming our individual lives and society’s systems and structures, trying to make sure we reset and come back to something better than what we left."

I don't know why this kind of creeped me out, but it did. I guess the elite are not just on board, but gung-ho for a "Great Reset"? Whatever that means? What does that mean, to people like this, I wonder? (Remember, this is an alumni missive - so they tend to stick to things that are perceived as non-controversial to the audience, since they want to keep alumni "engaged" so they'll donate money.)

Or maybe I'm just reading to much into an email, who knows.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-14 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
The interesting part is that during a lot of revolutions they tend to go after the intellectuals. So good luck to the college I suppose. If they aren't aware of our hosts comparisons of the Great Reset and Stalinism, I'm reasonably sure they are also unaware of the great purges.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-14 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the fact that those who are in favor of such a thing are openly speaking of TGR as opposed to saying, "Nah, that's just a conspiracy-theory of the Deplorable-crowd" would seem to indicate some sort of inflection point has been reached. Especially if where it was mentioned was something that strives to be a noncontroversial periodic missive.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-14 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
OP here -

Yes, I was thinking the same thing!

The Great Reset conspiracy is....now something the woke elite mention in chatty, "non-controversial" alumni emails??

To be fair, this same source (a "class correspondent" officially assigned by the university to be the "liaison" between the class mass-mailings and the alumni office) sent around a rant in November 2020 about how we must all work together to save the world from Trump (canvass! vote! get others to vote!) and nobody seemed to bat an eye. As I recall, it ended with a "if you think this is inappropriate or overly political then you can take over being class correspondent!" line. The next email celebrated "victory" and thanked "everyone" for being so "supportive" of the last email. (Presumably those of us who thought it was overly political and a totally inappropriate use of alumni correspondence channels also thought it wasn't worth trying to argue with zealots and just hit the "delete" button. I'm guessing we're the ones who don't donate money, either.)

I will say, though - one benefit of having gone to a very elite school is that the alumni missives really help one to keep up with what the elite are thinking. Right now, my most recent data point is that they appear to be eagerly awaiting some sort of "Great Reset."

(Anonymous) 2021-09-14 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I spoke with a friend recently who pointed out that the systems that have been in place for decades don't seem to be working any more, and they weren't sure how we would all continue without some change in large scale arrangements. This wasn't someone who spent a great deal of time thinking about international relations, bretton woods, treaties, and the like. If your average person can see this, I suspect whether one is for or against the narrative and goals of the great reset, it's hard to argue that large changes of some sort aren't baked into the system already. It's just a matter of who controls the narrative and shapes those changes to their purposes, and how soon they happen (or how long they can be held off).

(Anonymous) 2021-09-14 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm also seeing this here in Canada. I'm certainly not part of any elite but I have a few acquaintances who are connected to the movers and shakers. These people are true believers who are utterly convinced that this Great Reset is the ONLY way forward and is the ONLY way their cherished laundry list of THINGS THAT MUST BE DONE TO SAVE THE WORLD can be accomplished. I find the arrogance of it all quite breathtaking. However, no one on the outside should be tempted to dismiss this as "conspiracy theory" or "liberal/leftist moon-battery". This is a sincerely and passionately held belief amongst this class. And they have the money and power to make it happen. I fail to understand those who still label such ideas as "conspiracy theories" when almost every "conspiracy theory" in recent years has been shown to be factual (or have a basis in fact). You cannot fight toxic ideas if you refuse to believe that they exist.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-17 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
I would just mention again the people are not without power. And no that doesn’t mean all of us need to join hands and sing by all “That’s a long wait on a train don’t come.”
It does mean these people aren’t in complete control.
They can’t afford to lose too many or they’d actually have to work for a living.

Some quotes that might help are in
“The sinews of war are not gold, but good soldiers; for gold alone will not procure good soldiers, but good soldiers will always procure gold.”
— Niccolò Machiavelli Discourses
http://www.online-literature.com/machiavelli/titus-livius/71/

“The rich build their own prisons.”
Sepp Holzer a picture through the fence at a mansion.

And paraphrasing Dune “He stays locked up in his tower while you are free to go where you will.”

[personal profile] weilong 2021-09-14 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
These days... Yesterday's conspiracy theory is tomorrow's approved official narrative. And "we will absolutely, never do x in this country" means "we are planning to implement x in about four months."

(Anonymous) 2021-09-15 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
This is what's been the weirdest of the last year and a half: just how quickly things go from "deranged conspiracy theories" to "obviously necessary"...

(Anonymous) 2021-09-15 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Seconded. And with absolutely no recognition on the part of the people applying adjectives like 'deranged'. It would be funny if it wasn't so terrifying.
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[personal profile] stcathalexandria 2021-09-14 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
That strikes me as very creepy and matches the assumption that vaccine passports will morph into social credit passports to give us access to goods and services which will doled out based on good behavior.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-15 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
All the more reason to be self-sufficient! There's no vaccine required to DIY!

(Anonymous) 2021-09-15 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
If you want to see how deep the academic world is into the Great Reset (and the accompanying investment trends - it IS all about impoverishing the 99.9% and making out like a bandit), follow Julianne Romanello on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/julianne.romanello.9