ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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My wife is getting stabbed by an AZ shot this coming Wed.

I am utterly against getting one for me but continue to love and support her in her decisions.

Do recently vaccinated human experimental trial members have any sort of shedding effect ie can you catch the vaccine from someone you live with.

If yes - how long are they 'infectious'

No, you definitely cannot "catch" the vaccine - and if the vaccine could replicate and spread like the virus does, they wouldn't now be trying to get OSHA to shove it down everyone's throat by force; they'd just vaccinate the willing half or two-thirds of the population and let 'em go shed it on the rest.

I have come across a very few reports of weird skin reactions from touch contact with newly vaccinated ~24 hours, so I think it is possible that the mRNA or some product of the process is being shed whilst it is most active. In this situation I might be tempted to go away for a couple days as perhaps it will be most active for say 48 hours? However this I think relates to the Pfizer gene product and I don't know so much about the AZ product.

However, it is different being exposed to some mRNA or other novel genetic product via the skin and via mucous membranes than having the thing directly injected.

And, going away would mean not being around if your wife should suddenly lose consciousness, as happened post Pfizer first jab to a member of our church community, or other severe reaction. I don't know how old you both are, I saw this evaluation using Israel's public health data https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontline-news/expert-evaluation-on-adverse-effects-of-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccination pdf to download at that link, showing that people over 60 are more than 15 times more likely to die in the two weeks after first Pfizer jab than baseline. Again this might well be different for the AZ jab.

The AZ product is also not a traditional vaccine. It uses an adenovirus vector to introduce DNA that codes for, again, the spike protein. Remember in high school biology that the way your cells work is:

DNA --> RNA --> protein

So the mRNA vaccines that some like to refer to as "experimental gene therapy" though they absolutely cannot alter your genome introduce the RNA for the spike protein into your cells, and your cells make the spike protein.

The AZ and Johnson and Johnson shots introduce DNA that codes for the same sequence (which is not found in the virus itself, as it is an RNA virus) and your cells use that DNA to produce the corresponding RNA and then the protein. Therefore, aside from any adjuvant crud, everything that you get in your body with the mRNA vaccines, you also get with these.

Thanks for that clarification. It's great to be able to have these conversations as normal business means I can't keep up with every part of the puzzle.

I found this today re shedding:

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/05/07/pfizer-documents-unvaccinated-people-can-be-exposed-to-experimental-mrna-from-vaccinated-people-frightening-adverse-reactions/

"The Pfizer data clearly state that a pregnant woman can be exposed to the “study intervention due to environmental exposure.” Environmental exposure can happen through “inhalation or skin contact.” This is clearly saying that any contact, including sexual contact with someone who has received the shots, exposes those who have not received the shots to the “intervention,” the synthetic mRNA or DNA."

Also

"A breastfeeding mother can pass experimental mRNA to her baby if she directly received the shots or if she is “exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact.” That means vaxxed co-workers, husbands, etc. can shed their experimental mRNA by breathing on or touching a nursing mother. It’s becoming clear that this is what happened to the two-year-old baby girl who died in March after exposure to Pfizer mRNA."

I am quoting the web page there which has snapshots of what is claimed to be the study related documents from Pfizer. I think it is more likely that Pfizer meant exposure via say a skin spill of the innoculant liquid or an accident in which the innoculant liquid was aerosolised in a room where someone would have breathed it, rather than skin shedding via for instance exosomes from vaccinated people. But, this source does support the claim that there is a risk to human beings from exposure to the novel genetic material other than by direct injection, so I think we just do not know all about it and possibly won't for some considerable time. There's a reason drug approvals in more responaible companies usually take about ten years.

I also have to bear in mind that there are powers would like to promote a definitive separation between those who have and haven't had the jabs for whatever end and that sometimes scare-mongering is directed towards that end. It is good there is a place like this where we can have these discussions.

Other news sources say that was just boilerplate environmental-exposure language used during the clinical trials because trialists are obsessively protective of fetuses (with some justification). Despite their requiring contraceptive use, 23 female participants in the trials got pregnant. They're not using any such language now and there's no reason they should. I don't find any evidence about this supposed death of a 2-year-old caused by a relative being vaccinated, but would bet a large amount of money it was a coincidence.

However, it does seem that they shed 'something' - probably spike protein or its fragments. It's not catchable or transmissive in the normal sense. I've also thought it might be giving my immune system a good sneak preview for when I do get infected. However, too many reports of Bel's Palsey and other characteristic covid symptoms in people who have spent quite a bit of time with recent vaccinees. As for length of time - who knows. I've made my husband sleep in another bed each time he gets a jab for a couple of weeks an taken my prophylaxis and otherwise don't worry about it.

The only thing that could happen is that the etheric components of the vaccine could mingle with your etheric body. I suspect the vaccines to have a strong etheric presence which is the body of energy that surrounds you, the Chinese call it chi for example and it has an important role in health.

I don't think it is nowhere as serious as the vaccine but since it's your wife and possibly sleep together and spend a lot of time together, I would take a hoodoo bath as the one described in the Magic Monday FAQ once a week to get a good thorough cleaning. I think it would also be a good idea for your wife to do this btw and do some exercise and get some sun and fresh air. All those will increase energetic health.

Edited 2021-09-10 17:55 (UTC)

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