Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

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The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hi All:

I am in Toronto and this afternoon my kid was served a letter by his employer that basically says he must be vaccinated by October 31st (first shot by October 1st and second dose booked by October 31st) or lose his employment. They have indicated they "might" be able to find an alternate position but that would come with a pay cut. Needless to say, we are both devastated. It's not totally unexpected since Ontario announced the vaccine mandates for gyms, restaurants etc. but because they did not extend the mandates further, I felt that employers would think twice before taking these drastic steps. I am semi-disabled and on a limited income and we rely on his paycheck to make ends meet. I should add that he has no post-secondary education so finding another job is going to be a challenge. We also both have auto-immune disorder and I was hoping to be able to obtain a medical exemption.

1] Is anyone aware of support groups in Toronto for people affected by these job mandates? I could not find anything online.

2] Does anyone know of a doctor or clinic that is willing to do the necessary work to provide a medical exemption? Our own doctor is a total Kool-Aid drinker who insists that everyone must be vaccinated to bring an end to this pandemic. I know he will refuse. I'm in the process of trying to find another doctor but these days no one seems to want new patients.

Much thanks, Liam

[(Anonymous)]

I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but our provincial government is utterly insane, and this will make finding a job a lot harder. I work in HR in one of the hydro companies and we discussed vaccine mandates, and decided against it: too much of our workforce would quit. I've heard from others that it's the same: powerline techs won't be taking the shots, and we can't afford to have even a small fraction of them quit.

I have received notice from the province we need to implement a policy of mandatory vaccinations for our workers by October 1. Colleges and universities got hit with the same thing just a few weeks ago; and the government is implementing a lot more.

So I'm going to suggest you be prepared for the process of finding a new job to be very difficult. I wish I had better advice, but sadly I'm increasingly at a loss myself....

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Liam,

I'm really sorry to hear about your kid. Although I can't answer either of your questions directly you might want to check out this resource from a Canadian law firm: https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/how-to-respond-boss-pressures-you-covid-19-vaccine/

Seems like being fired for not taking the vaccine is akin to being fired without cause, so there's something to fight and if not severance pay is due. Hope that helps somewhat.

best of luck <3

Stephane

[(Anonymous)]

Just a thought...

If he agrees to the pay-cut position, it may only be temporary. It's possible things may change if you can hang on at reduced income for just a little while.

[(Anonymous)]

So this comes from someone in the US but there are currently hiring signs all over the place and we are dealing with a labor shortage (great resignation, etc.) so hopefully your son will have an easier time finding work if it comes to it.

I also think it might be indicative of something wrong by the simple fact that Doctors aren’t taking new pages. That might indicate they are maxed out, as in more people seeing the doctors during this time…I wonder if there could be any cause for such things…😉

I’m any case I wish you the best during this difficult time and will be hoping either the employer comes to their sense, your son easily finds rewarding work, or you are able to get your exemption.

[(Anonymous)]

Much thanks to you all for your responses!

It is interesting to find out that companies have been directed by the Ontario government to implement vaccine mandates. I had no idea this was going on. I rather thought that they were resisting and only folded due to supposed public pressure. It explains why his company suddenly introduced this. They had been quite content to leave it as a personal decision up to this point.

I had also checked out that legal site and I had noted that I had to be firing without cause. That is some small comfort because it should mean some severance and the chance to claim unemployment insurance. As was recommended, we are just trying to buy time, hoping to get some clarity as to what is happening i.e. what happens this fall once cold/flu season starts or if people/governments regain some sanity (I know - as if!).

Again thanks for the information and best wishes. As I noted in a previous comment, we are the only ones we know who have not been jabbed. It is a lonely time.

[(Anonymous)]

I only know about these two because I

a) Am taking classes at a local university, and as class rep get to hear a lot more about what's happening than the average student.

b) Work at a Hydro company. As far as I can tell, there's no public listing of these rules, which raises all sorts of red flags. I've forwarded the rules to legal and we're discussing our options; we can't afford to lose more than a third of our workforce in a little under a month....