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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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My father died about a month after getting his second dose of experimental gene therapy (six weeks after the first dose). It wouldn't have been a surprise anyway, as he had a history of heart problems and his general health had been getting progressively worse.

I read about the Vioxx recall. Apparently it caused thousands and thousands of heart attacks, but it took ten years for that to become clear, because the people taking the drug were mostly older folks so it didn't raise any red flags, and any one doctor or clinic only saw a few of them.

If one old guy with heart problems dies, it would be rash to blame it on one of the many drugs he had been taking. It is only when you notice that people taking that particular drug die 10% more often that you can say something is happening. Problem is, with the corona "vaccines" the authorities are making sure that nobody can ever do that analysis to find out whether it is happening or not.

I keep seeing people say things about children being resilient in regards to the masks. Our governor in NY said something along similar lines by stating that her own child didn't like wearing shoes but eventually learned to wear them. These statements are insidious in that they allow a lot of people to go "oh yea haha of course!" without any critical thought into what's being said.

These statements provide those who use them a quick, dismissive, almost sarcastic response to anyone speaking against the common narrative. Anyone with the slightest ounce of critical thought would immediately dismantle the statement by pointing out children don't breathe, communicate, express emotion, etc etc etc through their feet.

I see a lot of the public exchange around Covid devolving to these levels. "Horse medicine people", "my child didn't like wearing pants but they're wearing pants to school", calling skeptics anti-vaxxers. The room for reasoned debate seems long gone, any point made counter to the allowed narrative is met with condescending sound bites. It's sad.

(Has the added plus of being able to blame the Russians for it!)

I was having the intrusive happy-vax thoughts other people have described, so I did a divination about the issue, which said, “you’re nearly there, don’t give up now.” Obviously a vindication of my anti-vax stance. So I asked for a dream for guidance on the issue and the dream said people who get the jab will lose their multi-dimensionality. Showed me Edge of Tomorrow, if you’ve seen that, to explain what they meant. Lose the ability to keep changing for better outcomes. But I guess chronic illness takes away your options. Maybe that’s all they meant.

Data point in Bucharest, 10 people hearth, because bus driver lost consciousness, vaccination mandatory for bus drivers. Similar stories like this on telegram, hard to find on Google though.

I would very much like to read what you write about the decline of our civilization from the viewpoint of Mander's book. Any chance it will be made public soon?

Thank you for this report from Washington. This report, plus other reports from other countries (there was one posted on this forum about the 3 G's system in Austria), plus my own experience (legally required "check'ins" with a smartphone at restaurant tables, which I just ignore) suggests to me that we may be going in the direction of undocumented Mexican farmworkers in the US in the 1960s-- that is to say, hiring undocumented workers was illegal, but it was very (very!) openly done-- and marijuana use as I recall seeing it in university in the 1980s--- illegal, but it was openly done. Once in a while, somebody got in trouble. Otherwise, everyone-- really, just about everyone-- ignored the law as just sort of... stupid.

This is demoralizing for all concerned-- including those involved in law enforcement. They've got to know they're making a few people really suffer for something everyone does anyway-- that is to say, for something that is culturally accepted.

When I was in university (DC area), the dorms literally reeked of marijuana every weekend. The year before I arrived, the FBI ran a sting operation that put 5 students in jail for marijuana possession. Now that marijuana's illegality is ancient history, I wonder how those 5 students and those FBI agents feel about that now.

Right now, September 2021, this is not the case for vaccination papers, I know-- feelings are running high both for and against! But once the booster shots start being required top establish "status," I expect that defiance of related rules and regulations will be far more widespread, as it was with these two above-mentioned instances.

Meanwhile, some police and jail wardens, among others, will collect salary and benefits.

But time will tell.

Cobalt Choleric Peacock

Am increasingly concerned that the vaccine mandates springing up around the 'developed' (ha!) world are fast becoming a backdoor way those likely to question the 'powers that be' too much are being shut up and shut out. The same people that were teaching our youngsters to think critically.

A moving video from a Canadian ethics professor forced to leave her job due to her ethics. Crazy.
(Brought to attention by:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliusRuechel )

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5dCjnCtFqcHu/

I for one hope you will share what you are writing here. or at least a link to it.
Eskimo Ed

Thank you for this. It makes my day to read that someone else shares my respect and enthusiasm for Mander's book on television. I consider it one of the most lucid books written in the 20th century. My experience, though, is that very few people are ready to read it. Mostly, the suggestion just annoys them.

Relatedly, I would also consider Neil Postman's TECHNOPOLY: THE SURRENDER OF CULTURE TO TECHNOLOGY essential for understanding what is happening. Postman was a media theorist and professor at NYU who died in 2003. TECHNOPOLY was published in 1992, before the widespread advent of email and all that we take for granted on the Internet now, from websites and browsers to search engines to social media. It's a mind-blowing experience to read TECHNOPOLY now, it is so prophetic.

From the back cover: "We live, then, in a Technopoly-- a self-justifying, self-perpetuating system wherein technology of every kind is cheerfully granted sovereignty over social institutions and national life."

On a more esoteric note, for those many of you inclined in that direction, I would also recommend philosopher Jeremy Naydler's books about technology and electricity.

And thank you also to our host. I feel as if these many months I have been lost in a forest, but now starting to hear familiar voices at last.

Scarlet Hyperactive Catfish

YES

Hi Kimberley,

Thank you for sharing this.

I also believe that certain kinds of music can exert a powerful protection, especially Bach and Mozart because, quite simply, astral nasties hate that stuff.

Want to attract them? Blast heavy metal.

A while ago on an Internet search I found an excellent free source of 24/7 streaming classical music with no ads (no ads!)

https://www.radioswissclassic.ch

I use an old & otherwise janky iPad to keep it playing 24/7. Beethoven, Sibelius, Dvorak, they're all on there, exuding their excellent vibes.

Lilac Nocturnal Llama

Hi Liam,

I'm really sorry to hear about your kid. Although I can't answer either of your questions directly you might want to check out this resource from a Canadian law firm: https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/how-to-respond-boss-pressures-you-covid-19-vaccine/

Seems like being fired for not taking the vaccine is akin to being fired without cause, so there's something to fight and if not severance pay is due. Hope that helps somewhat.

best of luck <3

Stephane

Below is a comment from a viewer of Chris Martenson's latest video 'How to Live a Beautiful life'. The writer describes her conflicting emotions related to her final project of getting a covid vax station up and running just before she loses her job for refusing the very same vax. A women of amazing Will.

I continue to find significant instances of awesome inspiration out there. I refuse to become a bitter old man. Current Mood - Inspired of course:)

I have been watching your content since last year, and not only have I utilized all this information to prepare, but have found it to be insightful. This particular video, I found relatable in various areas. I have been trying to come to terms with how I move forward with my future. In many ways, I have always dreamed of owning my own farm, and/or living in a tiny home. This video has given me hope.

My husband is an ironworker, and a builder all around. My background is an architect by trade. I currently work for a major health care system in my state. Oddly enough, I left the A/E firm that I worked for 15 years at the onset of this pandemic to join this health care system as a Project Manager in Design and Construction. When I started going through the onboarding process, besides undergoing an intensive background check, I also had a full health screening. It was discovered that I did not have antibodies for the Chicken Pox, so last April I went for my vaccination series. I guess, I mention this to validate that I am not anti-vaxer. I am a 39 year old female, and six years ago I was diagnosed with Thyroid Cancer. I am in remission at this point and in good health.

I have my own vegetable garden for the last nine years, and I am member at a local farm where I volunteer regularly. I love to can my produce, dry my herbs. Most recently interested in getting my own chickens. I deeply care about our environment, and have spent many hours cleaning up the beach. I am not perfect by any means, but like so many, I am deeply troubled with the state of our nation, and our globe.

I am in AWE, that within the next month I could potentially get me fired over a decision that relates to my body, my temple. I refuse to take part in this manipulation. Despite my previous health issues, I have always been skeptical of doctors, because of the profit driven industry. My most recent project, I have been given is to open a vaccination "station" in a shopping mall. It must be complete within the next two weeks. I have never felt more conflicted in my life. It is in my nature to accept a challenge and complete it. I am competitive by nature, and I love construction.

So now, I have two weeks to complete a project that I want no part of, and two weeks following I will get fired for not allowing an experimental gene therapy to be injected in my body. Thankfully, I feel like I have many options, as I said before I am not a healthcare professional. I truly believe, when one door closes, another opens. I will not allow someone to intimidate me with fear. However, I like many, I sit here facing life changing decisions.

So, Thank you for your inspiration! Thank you for your continued effort to bring good information to the forefront. Thank you for sharing you, and your daughters story. My consideration of a tiny home, and farm seems more realistic. Perhaps, I begin my journey to search for land to build a tiny home, and then pursue a new business as an architect designing and building tiny homes.

Just a thought...

If he agrees to the pay-cut position, it may only be temporary. It's possible things may change if you can hang on at reduced income for just a little while.

drhooves, there are currently 3 RT-PCR tests currently being used where I work. Only 1 currently tests for covid alone. The other two test for covid along with a) Influenza A and B and RSV or b) a panel of 18 other respiratory viruses and bacteria. I think the case numbers are pretty much meaningless at this point. Also, we have NEVER tested asymptomatic people for respiratory pathogens before covid.

As to the vaccinating control group members during the "clinical trials", if that isn't a gigantic red flag spangled with flashing hazard lights I don't know what is.

Brother Josephus

Where are you getting these numbers? The above commenter randomly speculated that 2% might be *affected*, not killed (a $10,000 payout for a death would be ridiculously small). Dr. Google tells me that 177 million Americans are "fully vaccinated." If 2% of them died as a result - not just of other things that people die of all the time - that would be an *excess* 3.5 million deaths. Where are the trenches being dug in the parks to hold all the bodies?

Mark L,

I agree. No matter what you say right now, someone is liable to take it as evidence that they can use against someone or something else. A very fraught time. I appreciate what you're trying to do with your posts.

The fact is, we don't know who is most likely spreading this virus and I would like to see some really well designed studies to try to get a sense of it. Personally, I've had it and it wasn't that bad. I would really be interested in participating in a trial that would measure my antibody and B and T cell levels monthly along with some way better than the PCR tests to see if I'm actually capable of spreading it. Sadly, I don't think that study would ever be funded because TPTB aren't really interested in anything that doesn't say "vaccination is the only way".

Anyway, keep up the good work!

Also, JMG, thanks for doing this. We really need good discussion around this subject and this is the only oasis in the desert of insanity.

Brother Josephus

I saw it in "the mainstream media" several months ago, so perhaps it's no longer newsworthy there. Or actually, perhaps the question of what virus caused an epidemic more than a century ago is never considered very newsworthy. However, the idea that the "Russian flu" was really a coronavirus has become quite popular in the last year.

I don't find that by Googling. VAERS reporting definitely has no such limitation. The CDC itself:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

says that the "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."

That would almost have to represent largely deaths in less than two weeks, because the closer the temporal association, the more plausible it is that there is a causal relationship. If you got vaccinated last year and this year you have a heart attack, they're not going to demand that that be reported as a possible vaccine adverse event.

Is that actually corrected for age (and not just their stupid under-50 vs over-50)? Without that, it's impossible to draw meaningful conclusions.

While observations in the field are very important, they do not, by definition, present the larger picture.

I am ready to assume all observations there are real and honest. But at the end of the day we need to be a bit more rational and look at case fatality rates, infection fatality rates, ...

In that regard Delta seems to be behaving - at least until now - according to expectations from evolutionary biology: more transmissible but less deadly.

Every death is a tragedy, but from a public health policy we need to look at risk/benefit analysis and cold hard numbers.

As an aside: from those reports it seems that ventilation is mostly useless (which is corroborated by many high level analysis). Maybe there is a lesson to be learned there?

So this comes from someone in the US but there are currently hiring signs all over the place and we are dealing with a labor shortage (great resignation, etc.) so hopefully your son will have an easier time finding work if it comes to it.

I also think it might be indicative of something wrong by the simple fact that Doctors aren’t taking new pages. That might indicate they are maxed out, as in more people seeing the doctors during this time…I wonder if there could be any cause for such things…😉

I’m any case I wish you the best during this difficult time and will be hoping either the employer comes to their sense, your son easily finds rewarding work, or you are able to get your exemption.

Virus infecting a previously exposed (vaxxed or infected) person will face selective pressure in favor of antibody-evading mutants that virus infecting a previously unexposed person won't. However, there's no reason to presume that antibody-evading mutants will have any greater ability to infect a previously unexposed person than the original form did, or any greater virulence. They might as easily have less.

If we assume that there's no stopping waves of repeated infections with different strains, then what we must care about most is, will those waves be more or less deadly? Virus evolving in an unvaxxed person is just as likely to generate a variant with greater virulence.

The knock on effects for Israel are particularly concerning. If it effects a large enough percentage of the population I could see some of those surrounding countries exploiting an opportunity like that.

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