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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2021-09-07 12:14 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

troubledThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Re: A thought

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Very good advice, and warnings. Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. That's why we've all been trained so well by the media, entertainment, and the education system to pressure, cajole, and shame each other into behaving as they want us to behave. Also, selective enforcement with examples made does wonders to encourage voluntary compliance.

Re: Horrifying

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, that's why I will think of this incarnation as being effectively over once that happens. "A corpse waiting to be sent to the grave", as George Orwell so poignantly phrased it in *1984*.
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Re: Aztec Gods

[personal profile] lp9 2021-09-11 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Szukalski is super interesting. I know you don't do video, but a documentary film came out about him a few years ago. I would love to hear your take on him, if you end up reading up on his life and his art, as part of the Magical History of America series on the main blog. It seems like there is something more to him than just the surface view...
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(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It's very strange indeed. A fractal of what's happening in the body with the vax is playing itself out at the higher level of human society. I suspect the people forced to "join" will start exhibiting symptoms within society, much like cells forced to join a vaccine agenda, namely ADE.
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[personal profile] ari_ormstunga 2021-09-11 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I told my manager yesterday that if they mandated the vaccine I guess she was going to have to fire me. She said she'd have a hard time firing me because she'd be fired herself. We both had a good laugh. Sometimes it pays to live in Deplorable country. Almost all of us, including the owners, have already had Covid, and the bulk of us absolutely refuse to get the death jab.

Re: PHE bulletin 22

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is probably one of the most crucial data sets I’ve seen yet - and straight from the horse’s mouth! Thanks for providing this. And you are right, no wonder the majority of investigative teams aren’t all over it…

Re: Horrifying

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
That scene and that dialogue has played in my mind on loop the past year and a half. Every time Faucci flip flopped I heard it. At first it sounded humorous and I laughed, but I've stopped laughing over time.

Re: Horrifying

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a very difficult thing, resonating so strongly with the story of the republic, and being born after it has passed from the earth. Growing up in New England, flags and pennants were hung at every possible holiday that might call for them, even if the connection was tenuous. Minutemen statues stood tall on commons of any town with a few pennies to scrape together, ready to march off to fight empire. No matter that their muskets meant nothing against weapons powered by the atom. They were willing to march anyway. All of the characters who were part of the Republic live so strongly in my mind. I love a good underdog story more than any other, I think, because the start of America was such a perfect example of that archetype. The Republic is deep in my soul, and I never had a chance to meet it. As a young man I learned of Kennedy, and had my eyes opened, and shortly after that the towers imploded, and I've mourned the Republic ever since.

Re: PHE bulletin 22

[personal profile] tarian 2021-09-11 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
The other factor is age, for example, 97% of the unvaccinated people in the data-set in the 'variants of concern' bulletin cited (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201) were under 50, compared with 55% of the double-jabbed.

So, looking at over-50's only, the death rate in unvaxxed is around 6.5% (437 out of 6724), while the rate in the double-jabbed is around 2% (1054 out of 51420). And as the previous poster remarked, that's only among people who have tested postive. If you take into account the lower infection rate in the vaccinated population (for example, see https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-report), then it's looking even better.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
"Nazi propaganda was fairly effective in rallying the German masses but it was a flop in most other countries and cultures"

I think this is a very important observation that deserves further study. One german poster online mentions his grandma that said: "Don't believe the people that say the Nazi propaganda was very convincing. Even as a teenager I could tell it's crap and never believed one word of it."

It would be an interesting historical exploration of the Nazis that tries to unemotionally find the human needs/desires/vices that were satisfied so well by the feeling of belonging to a genocidal group. Yes, I know that comparisons to today are very natural and they might be even useful, IF there was ever a country that got denazified without first being defeated and starved first.
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[personal profile] inavalon 2021-09-11 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
People were dying by the week in hospitals after being sent home and told to come back if they were having trouble breathing.

I wonder why there wasn't much more emphasis on exploring effective early TREATMENTS.

To me, that seems sinister.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
That still helps them, to cover ADE, OAS, they need people to be vaccinated on paper it doesn't mind if is just the paper when things will get bad, you will be counted as a statistical healthy vaccinated.
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[personal profile] adastraoracle 2021-09-11 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Many thanks to JMG for this area, and to you, the commenters. I'm grateful for the comradery, albeit virtual. It has been a welcome resource.

I will affirm that 2015 was the year when I began to sense something very unpleasant was beginning. A totally new person in my life suddenly appeared, who turned my life upside down--and is now mercifully not in it. And I hypothesize on the spiritual aspects being discussed here. In looking back, I wonder...were people that are actually awake, with real probity, approached in a negative spiritual pre-emptive strike circa 2015-2016, to remove, diminish or mislead 'light workers' (sorry, I know that term comes off as cliché, but for lack of a better word I'll use it) in greater numbers to strengthen the current position of the negative at this time? I see some anecdotes here and think this might be so.

In my discursive meditation this morning (thanks JMG for posting about that, super helpful), the theme I chose to focus on was immunity. Turns out, it was absolutely perfect for filling in the blank as a positive affirmation regarding any negative idea, or words, or actions, that have been slung around lately: "My immunity to ____________ is strong." Or, "I am immune to _______."

Powerful stuff. Blessings to all.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Begging your pardon, but I think you may not have correctly remembered what Ben said. First, some background. The more the astronomers look, the more they find nova that do not destroy the star. Next, the Sun produces a current sheet, with ripples above and below its equatorial plane. (While I generally don't care for WikiPedia, this is pretty useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliospheric_current_sheet)

Ben claims there is a galactic current sheet emanating from the center of the Milky Way which is similar but far, far larger and more powerful than the Sun's. (I don't think he made that up, but I'd have to dig for references.) While the solar wind prevents buildup of much dust, debris or plasma between the Sun and Earth, the galactic current sheet goes through a lot of stuff in the Milky Way and pushes things along with it. Ben claims that the solar system passes through the galactic current sheet about every 12,000 years and that the dust, debris, plasma and energy in the galactic current sheet are sufficient to cause the Sun to produce a "micro nova". Ben's next claim is that the micro nova could couple enough energy into the Earth to unlock the mantle from the core, allowing the massive weight of ice on Greenland and Antarctica to move near the equator. Is he right? Who knows? How bad will it be if it does happen? Who knows? There is evidence that Greenland and Antarctica were once at least temperate if not warmer, so there is something going on. On the upside, humans have lived though it many times.

The dusty galactic current sheet hypothesis would explain Betelgeuse growing dim, flashing, then remaining dim, as the dusty wave propagates toward us.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
in the day of global comunication, they are risking big with this, maybe that's why BigTech is full on brute force censorship.

Trials

[personal profile] peter_van_erp 2021-09-11 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
The trials were terminated rather abruptly, when all the control group who were injected with the placebo were given the jab as soon as the EUA was issued. The scientific way of testing a new drug was abandoned in the haste to get the jabs into arms. We will never know what those trials might have uncovered in the following years. Now anything that goes wrong can be blamed on the Omega variant.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
whole this felt like, someone in november '89 Ceausescu's Romania want to run to the Soviet Union because of opression.

I wonder if there are other ways to become invisible for them

Re: Aztec Gods

[personal profile] youngelephant 2021-09-11 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm this is very interesting. My great grandmother was native Peruvian and immigrated to the US and married a white guy. She died when I was 14. I have enough Peruvian blood to be able to claim that ancestry on government forms but have never done so. I also lived on a Native American reservation for a couple years as a child. I do have details related to that but I'm trying to preserve some degree of anonymity here as this wasn't a secret growing up. All this to say - I would be interested in whatever you come up with.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
what a strange word to invent, is certanly has a negative vibe even for a Non-native English speaker

Re: The Mandate

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Black people have a low vaccination participation numbers

Re: Horrifying

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It surprised me, too, how thoroughly the sense of peace and calm spread. It wasn't immediate, either, so perhaps it needed time to work through the noise.

Speaking of noise, I find I have to invoke my deities' holy symbol when praying to clear out other influences and really "hear"/feel their response. Otherwise, there seem to be things willing and able to either distort or intercept the gods' responses and insert their own. Have you found anything similar?

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
If that ain't gaslighting, I dunno what is.

(Anonymous) 2021-09-11 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, I've got some tulip bulbs I can sell 'em. Oh, and a warehouse full of modern art, too. (Anyone for the Brooklyn Bridge?)

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