ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 186

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Following on from the fascinating discussion on p7 of last week's blog, I have a question re the need for boosters/antibody levels.

Am unjabbed, but isn't there a difference between getting a booster if uninfected with the disease jabbed against, and getting a booster +after+ being infected? It seems the memory B and T cells would only be able to produce antibodies in the presence of an already known antigen. Of course, in the case of the coof, the chances of not having been infected must be minuscule, making the need for a booster moot. And even if it's "updated" with a more recently extinct strain, so what?

My AI bot/troll alarm is going off with this post.

The only need for a booster is if you're determined to self-harm and desire a potententially grisly and drawn out demise.

OP here, your alarm's broken, trying to confirm basic immunological reactions. And hi from Sydney!

Yep, confirming Sydney: I believe a comment of mine last week was involved. I said vaccines/boosters shouldn't be necessary at all if one has had a disease. Where that is not the case, I am uncertain whether antibody levels matter the way they are promoted to do. My immunology education and long ago work in virology did not cover that question.
Hi from the western slopes!

iridescent scintillating elver

OP again, yep, your post was what prompted the question. I believe antibody levels are used as a marker of "vaccine" efficacy with little to zero evidence they actually provide it.

An Aussie bot (bite). How cute !

Just looking at the big picture for a minute:

The gene therapy injections weren't legitimate vaccines to begin with (if any vaccine can be said to be legitimate).

Even if not something malignant, the covid injections and subsequent neverending boosters are at the very least a racket, with it being very highly likely that the science (or $cience) behind the boosters is completely fraudulent and made up. We saw in real time during covid how science was made up to support the narrative.

There are also doubts around how accurate the whole sequencing of viruses is, and whether the exact configuration of the spike protein can ever be known down to the level of detail being claimed. The boosters depend upon the theory behind sequencing being correct.

So I'm not sure any discussion of the ABs being produced by the boosters is that meaningful.

And we could go even further into "viruses don't exist" territory, and speculate about what antibodies really are. Maybe they are some kind of marker of damage being done, and the fact that the covid injections seem to create very high antibody levels could just mean they are doing more damage than other vaccines. (I haven't looked, but maybe someone has already come up with a theory like this.)

At the end of the day, viruses and antibodies are just theoretical constructs, where scientists have made some observations and then created models to make sense of those observations.

OP: Oh I'd agree a) all you say re the coof jabs and b) that boosters after getting any disease seem to be a scam (I don't know how long memory B cells stay active for, though a quick search brought this from an NIH paper "antigen-specific memory B cells appear highly stable over time"). Even a basic knowledge of our amazingly complex immune system makes the simple mainstream vaccine narrative questionable.

There's some discussion around the various shot/bug/both immune scenarios in this blog post:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/dirty-deeds-tuesday-february-25-2025

Maybe it can help your question, at least tangentially.

- Cicada Grove

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